Solutions

With the backlash slowing down on steam I think it may be worth while to try to figure out a solution. People will come from different directions some think that there nothing wrong was done and others do. Even the people that don't think there is a problem can see the backlash and can understand that the backlash can undo a game or a design house.

I don't want to talk about right or wrong in this thread I want to talk about solutions to resolve the dispute.


Please no flaming in this thread, don't talk about what is right or wrong only a compromise that you think would work.

To that end there are 3 forgone conclusions were working with:

1 - Similar features to the $90 Galactic Edition is not compatible with a lower price
2 – There must be an option close to 30 dollars or less that has a lot less benefits
3 – For a game to be listed on steam right now it needs to have early access

Think up a part or full solution post it and I will add any solutions to the second post.

I have a steam post with the same name I will be copying the “solutions” between these 2 threads. The thread I have started on steam is here:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/233250/di ... 098111165/

The ideas in no order are:
1 - Limited time alpha/beta play with a reduced cost game - |TG| thesleeper (Steam)

2 - Limited number of matches a day during alpha / beta with a reduced cost - |TG| thesleeper – (Steam)

3 - Add some kind of upgrade option to your commander either one that would show up like a back gear item or a non-visible item that lets you include an increased stat upgrade to all galactic edition supporters. It would need to be minor like a 3-10% increase in health or damage or mobility effecting one or many stats. A 3% increase across the board for all stats would be a nice advantage but not crippling and let you customize your commander some. - |TG| thesleeper – (Steam)

4 – Include as a loading page a “special thanks” option where it randomly thanks a few sponsor of $90+ every time you load a game. - |TG| thesleeper – (Steam)

5 – make it so reduced cost games can not host games. - |TG| thesleeper – (Steam)

6 – make the bonus commanders slightly better but give the higher edition's all commanders below them to use as well if they want to fair fight. - |TG| thesleeper – (Steam)

7 - Titles that would show your support when your in a lobby. - |TG| thesleeper – (Steam)

8 - Give Kickstarter supporters additional influence in making the game. – Alder – (Steam)

9 - Remove the art book, soundtrack, theta commander thing and wallpaper and reduce the cost by the value of removed items - Some Random Newbie – (Steam)

10 - Limit the number of Alpha participants then offer a new pre order product at a subsidised rate price like professional developers do – Jonboy – (Steam)

11 - Have an option for KS clients to get a partial refund of some money and then cut the price for alpha access to $40 for early release/alpha while at the same time explaining the mistake that was made and telling people it's been rectified. – Draa – (Steam)

12 - Make an alpha/beta/game package for a more reasonable price (pre-order $40). No special items, no fancy icons,toys,DLC,wallpapers,soundtracks Just the game. – Kinesis – (Steam)

13 – Do not buy alpha for game-play because that's not what you get in alpha. – greendiamond – Uber forums

There is no problem so no solution is necessary. Please read the many other threads on this topic. Starting with this one.

There is no dispute though.

There is:
1) Steam not allowing Uber to put pre-orders and such on Steam
2) "I want my game now and I want to spend as little money as possible (perhaps 'too bad I can't pirate the alpha'?)"

I have buy the game on steam ,pay 90 euros and got no problem with that..
But iff we see the price slow down with same options than we have.
A lot off friends i got there say they can´t pay so mutch because, or they don´t now the game , or they just want to wait the realesed fase.
No one like me that pay 90 euros will like see them pay with lower price and play like us with same options thats obvius ,we pay because we want participate on this fase .
This is still on production its normal,but iff will lower the price honastly i hope we got really special avatars and special things,otherwise we will be really piss,its just the true.
let them be anxious for the game will be good.
If they want to participate as we are,then they have to pay in this stage like we pay!

This is a special game, diferent from all rts out there.

Uber already has a solution. They have a plan and are sticking to it. Easy as that.

Also the backlash didn't really mean anything because PA was as high as #3 top game on steam.

This would make testing difficult and defeat the purpose of early alpha access.

This would make testing difficult and defeat the purpose of early alpha access.

Pay to win is stupid. You already get extra perks with the $90 edition.

Reasonable idea. But this sort of thing was at the $90 level the Kickstarter. Sorry but you missed your chance for this one.

The alpha does not support hosting your own games so this is a non starter.

Pay to win is stupid.

Reasonable idea. However this is priced above the $90 level and lowing it would not be fair to the people who bought the $200 edition.

This has already been done. What do you think this forum is for?

This was done long before PA was put on Steam early access. The pre order has always been $40. If you don't want to wait for release then you need to pay more than that. Deal with it.

This would be arbitrarily unfair. Also the $40 pre order has been available for longer than Steam early access has been. What other developers do is not relevant to PA.

This is just stupid. There was no mistake. $90 or gtfo. Please think of the purpose of an alpha and the meaning on the term exclusionary pricing. Uber does not have the money do this anyway since the KS funds have already be partially spent on making the game.

Once again this has been available for ages. Alpha is $90, beta is $60, just the game with no extras is $40. Alpha and beta access are by definition extras and you have to pay more to get them. There is nothing wrong with this.

This is something I wish people would understand.

The fact that it was at #3 does not ensure it will be #3 always and has now fallen to #8 and will likely drop off the “top sellers” area in the next few days.

Like or dislike how steam consumers have reacted steam *IS* the 800 lbs. gorilla in the room and a game that does poor there may do poor overall. I know many have said here there's no such thing as bad PR but really your looking through rose colour glasses.

If you don’t like this thread that's fine but I would ask you to not post here as I am asking for only those that are interested in coming up with a solution to post here. You are behaving as bad as the trolls on steam.

There already is a solution and a plan put in by Uber back before the KS was even funded.

Also how am I behaving as bad as a troll? Because I told you Uber already has a solution and a plan and are sticking by it? There is no other solution needed.

It may have dropped down the list a bit but I can almost guarantee once the Alpha phase is over and the Beta phase ($60) starts it'll climb back up. The same will happen when it's Full Retail ($40) release hits steam.

Again there is no solution needed since Uber already has it planned out.

Your trolling off topic what what I asked people not to post what is rigth or wrong, others are going for the 10,000 posts does not mean anything angle. Both are things that dont belong here.

Solutions looking for a problem maybe.

Yes PA Alpha Early Access won't be in the Top Sellers List Forever(Hint, nothing ever is!) but the fact it made it there to begin with, beside another Early Access title working with a different pricing model should be all the proof needed that Uber has a perfectly functional pricing model that achieved everything they expected it to.

I'm sure when PA Launches the Beta Early Access we'll see it in the Top Sellers List once again. We'll see it there yet again at release as well.

So basically, you want a biased discussion?

Mike

I am on topic. I am not trolling or flaming. I am also not saying anything about right or wrong.

No, I want a discussion of only people that think that many people being upset with the price will hurt the game not about if you think it will hurt the game nor if you think its valid and not if you think it will have a minor effect.

we already have the solution pay 40 bucks and wait a little bit and you will have a fully functioning game that has gone through so much testing and idea spit balling that you could have participated in for the right price. even then you don't need to buy the alpha or beta to talk here and participate in the process it just better if you do. additionally if you are buying alphas purely to play the game you are doing it wrong. you play alphas to find as many ways to break it as possible and talk about how to fix it. most people complaining are complaining about paying for a broken game. its as if they dont know the point of an alpha.

we've already discussed this over probably 100 threads, no need to restart this a week after

solution proposal: tell people not to buy alphas for game-play because that's what your not going to get in alphas

Please stop trolling in this thread, I have come here in an honest attempt to help resolve problems, I have laid out a clear reasonable discussion topic to talk about and people continue to troll in it.

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This whole thread idea is trolling. It's not like they said HERE BUY THE GAME ONLY AT 90 BUCKS. IT WILL NEVER BE ANY LOWER.

They didn't do that. They simply gave earlier options for a higher price with respect to their supporters on Kickstarter. Don't like it? I'll show you the door.

You need to realize that the bulk of supporters in this game see absolutely zero problem with a 90 dollar alpha and beta price tag. IF you don't want that then don't buy in. Simply wait till BEta or release, which ever price seems more worth it to you. But for the bulk of those that did buy for the higher prices what do you think this game means to them value wise? I grew up on Total Annihilation 90 bucks is worth the memories to me.

You need to follow rule 4. Read old topics of the similar complaint but realize that this isn't a problem because it isn't mandatory.