I was interested in the custom commander

Discussion in 'Backers Lounge (Read-only)' started by anora, February 8, 2013.

  1. anora

    anora New Member

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    I was interested in upgrading to having one but the kickstarter finished before I could get the fund together to get my custom comander

    is there still any posebaletys for this< as I did ask this before and never did get a reply, and I know its been a will for me to put a new post, things been crazy in life.
  2. stevenside

    stevenside Member

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    possibilities? Sadly no. custom commanders will only be given to those who funded via kickstarter for 1000$.
  3. chronoblip

    chronoblip Member

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    For what it's worth, a few folks a while back had the idea of auctioning off some of the extra codes to their custom commanders for charity. There being over 100 custom commanders built, there may be one that you like that you can still get access to, and support a charity, for a lot less than the initial investment! :cool:

    I was thinking of doing Heifer International. http://www.heifer.org/

    That said if they do offer upgrades for other things, please do support Uber as it won't hurt if they get more funding. :D
  4. Degraine

    Degraine New Member

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    I think custom commanders falls squarely into that feature creep bracket that threatens to overwhelm projects. I wouldn't expect to see them voluntarily adding more to their plate right now.
  5. KNight

    KNight Post Master General

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    ....Really? I don't see how, all they are in extensions of the regular commanders they already wanted to implement, yes they take work to create the models and such, but it's not like there's all new code and such for Custom Commanders. At this stage we don't even know WHEN the custom commanders will even be worked on yet, it might not be till after launch for all we know.

    Mike
  6. TokamakTech

    TokamakTech New Member

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    You're right - if I had to choose between starting the work on my custom commander, or getting the alpha a week earlier, I know which I'd be choosing...

    That said, I think a few people (me for sure) eagerly await the parameters we can start to play with to define our custom models - I'd sure like to have it before I start doing Let's Plays, but you can't do that without the game itself, right?
  7. Degraine

    Degraine New Member

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    Trrrrrue, but art assets are still, you know, work.
  8. KNight

    KNight Post Master General

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    Well, yeah I said that didn't I?

    Mike
  9. chronoblip

    chronoblip Member

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    Hey, you aren't helping him ignore the fact that they'd committed to this since before the project was even green lit, and that to get these new assets people had to pay money above and beyond everyone else. :roll:

    Cynicism is so much easier, why would you inspire hope that could be taken away when folks could just be miserable already and then pleasantly surprised when things don't turn out to be completely horrible? :lol:

    Mr. degraine, please take note that a criticism of a feature or game mechanic that Uber has commited to is a criticism of Uber more than anything else. If you don't trust Uber, then your contributions will always be tainted by distrust, and that negativity does have an impact. Uber wants folks to trust them enough to put their ideas out there, to try new things, to be able to make some mistakes and not be crucified over it. That's a relationship of trust which is unique and should be nurtured and cherished. :)
  10. bobucles

    bobucles Post Master General

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    Attack the idea, not the man, Chronoblip.

    @OP
    The game is built for modding. If you want a custom Commander, mod one in. However, unless you're a $1K backer, you will never have a custom drawn, textured and mapped Commander fresh out of Uber labs, with your own name, decals and backstory.

    I mean, making 100 of these is quite a tall order as is! And I'm sure they cost more than $1K of effort to make. :roll:
  11. Degraine

    Degraine New Member

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    Nnnno. That's not how criticism works. Nor was it really what I was saying. bobucles mostly covered what I wanted to say, I just wanted to single this out for specific reply.
  12. chronoblip

    chronoblip Member

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    Emphasis added for effect.
    Uber committed to doing custom commanders from the beginning, they didn't add that on a whim. They didn't say when exactly they were going to be added, just that they were going to do it. Your assertion that custom commanders are going to be a problem is in contrast to other features, or the game as a whole, not on the merits of the feature alone. That's a criticism of Uber's work management. This is highlighted by the fact that you then assert that they'd be doing it right now, which is not supported by any factual data.

    I am not the only one who saw this, as knight's response noted the fact that we don't know when the development of them was going to be done. You then replied to him with a straw man, as at no point did knight say there wouldn't be work to do, just that we don't know when it will be done.

    That's why your criticism of the feature can't really be about the feature, because there are no merits of the feature aside from its existence to criticize. Even there, you'd still just be criticizing Uber for promising features they can't actually deliver. Whether you intended that or not is irrelevant, that's what you wrote, and you've yet to say that anything you wrote was wrong.

    When the premise, the very foundation, of any argument you build is based on mistrust, that very much influences the tone and content of that argument. Uber is not immune to being influenced by that tone, nor are they able to read minds to see past the content provided, so how are they to understand or know what is actually meant? How do they know who is expressing a true concern and who is just failing to communicate?
    You're absolutely correct.

    degraine, I am sorry that I derided your point of view instead of just providing counter-points. It does not help the conversation to intentionally post additional commentary like that, and I should do a better job of censoring myself and just stick to the facts.
  13. bobucles

    bobucles Post Master General

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    Economics 101 states that you may still be able to get a custom commander if someone doesn't want theirs anymore. However, do not expect the price tag to be the same. Honestly, it would have been foolish to expect some kind of individual game advantage(as though it was some twisted form of p2w), as opposed to a personalized kudos from the dev team.

    It's kind of insulting to both praise and ultimately disregard advice at the same time.

    chronoblip, you'll quickly discover that overly negative feedback is not only vitriolic, but not terribly effective. There are better ways.
  14. chronoblip

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    You've been very careful not to reply to degraine, nor say that I am actually wrong.

    I'll readily admit that I didn't want to bother parceling out the criticism in a back-and-forth, and that I took my time to compose a complete dissection. I don't really care whether degraine still understands why he/she was wrong, because someone who isn't ever willing to admit fault is more than happy to go down with the ship than to ever accept even a helping hand. That post was entirely for my selfish desire to write out my own thought process.

    So how would you have responded to degraine? Would you have ignored it?

    Ignoring it doesn't go away, especially when in spite of Uber knowing that these people are wrong, the sheer number of them that are willing to make a fuss has been enough to discourage them and weaken their resolve. We've heard that multiple times.

    I think the answer is to hold people to a higher standard, and if that means they get offended because they didn't take the time to ensure that what they communicated was worth communicating, then so be it. If the result is that people spend more time thinking and less time spitting out words, then how is that really worse?

    This thread was derailed the minute degraine posted, so I am at least interested in hearing more about your take, if for no other reason than to understand you and your motivations better.
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    I doubt custom commanders will have any impact on the development, I'm guessing that development of the commanders will be some of the last things they do besides bug testing and stuff.

    But as people have said before, I would rather have a couple of weeks earlier Alpha/Beta than have my custom commander right away.

    ยจ~ Chris
  16. Degraine

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    What...what on earth are you blathering on about, chronoblip? I'm just opining that right now they have an entire game to make, with who knows how many units besides the custom commanders to do. So it's probably pretty unlikely they'll be doing more than the 100 or so the're already committed to (for now). There's something about a surprise in store in one of the other 'wish I could've afforded the $1000 tier' threads, but that's neither here nor there at the moment.

    Uber doesn't need you sallying forth into the internet to fight any hint of criticism or naysaying whatsoever on The Internet, mate. They're all adult people, I'm sure they can handle it. Settle down.

    Anyway, I'd like to get a custom commander myself, but a thousand dollars for the privilege was/is just a tad steep for me.

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