SXD24's Health and Armor Endorsement Guide

Okay, so there's been a lot of talk about Armor endorsements, how they work, how much health they give, etc. This is the place to be for that stuff.

Things to know when reading this guide:

• The only way to measure the HP of each individual class was by way of the Support's H/H ability. When healing with the Support, you will notice that the Health bar goes up in "bits." Each "bit" of health is worth 20 HP, and Rate of Fire determines how fast it awards those 20 HP. By way of a guest account and spawning each class on my main account, I was able to take data for each class's individual HP by overhealing the class, stopping immediately after the overheal bar was full. Then, I left the game and checked the guest's progress towards HP healed, and recorded this data.
• This data assumes that the overheal amount increases your health by a half. As such, the data presented here is merely double of the results I recorded, as two halves of a health bar equals a whole. If anyone can prove/deny this assumption with evidence, please let me know and I will change this guide accordingly.
• These numbers are not 100% accurate, but are fairly close approximations, should the previous assumption be true. There is human error to be accounted for, and not all classes' health are divisible by 20. Expect errors anywhere between 20-100 HP.
• Remember that though these numbers may be true, there are damage multipliers for each class and weapon to be accounted for. Different weapons do different damage across different classes, so keep that in mind.
• Dev input would be helpful and much appreciated!

And here's the numbers:

Tank - Passive 1 // Passive 2 // Passive 3
No Armor: 800 // 920 // 1040
Bronze Armor: 880 // 1000 // 1120
Silver Armor: 960 // 1080 // 1200
Gold Armor: 1040 // 1160 // 1280

Support - Passive 1 // Passive 3
No Armor: 440 // 640
Bronze Armor: 520 // 720
Silver Armor : 600 // 800
Gold Armor: 680 // 880

Assassin
No Armor: 320
Bronze Armor: 400
Silver Armor : 480
Gold Armor: 560

Assault
No Armor: 520
Bronze Armor: 600
Silver Armor : 680
Gold Armor: 760

Sniper
No Armor: 320
Bronze Armor: 400
Silver Armor: 480
Gold Armor: 560

Gunner
No Armor: 720
Bronze Armor: 800
Silver Armor : 880
Gold Armor: 960

Good info. If this is all correct, then armor doesn't play as significant of a role as I thought.

Like I said, though, this data is based on a really terrible way to measure health (but it's the only way I've found, sadly) and the assumption that overhealing gives the receiver an extra half of health. As such, there's some human error, but it should be in the ballpark of the right numbers, if the overheal assumption is correct.

That being said, I would think an Armor endorsement to be extremely helpful from these results, PohTayToez. A gold endorsement, for instance, gives each class an approximated 240 HP gain, which is close to doubling the Assassin or Sniper's unarmored HP.

Also, another thing I forgot to mention is the act that there seems to be a damage "threshold" right before the health bar hits zero. This is kind of hard to explain, so my best comparison would be something everyone can test - a Rail Gun versus an unarmored Assassin.

When using a Rail Gun on an full-health, unarmored Assassin, the very first shot will deplete almost 60% of her health bar. Using this logic, she should die in 2 shots, but in fact, she dies by three - the second shot will take her down to about 1% health for no apparent reason. Therefore, there appears to be some sort of "damage threshold" for the amount of damage you take, and is probably why so many people survive with the smallest slivers of health sometimes. I can't think of a better way to explain it, so test it out for yourself to see what I mean. (Also, if there's a better term for this, please tell me. I feel like an idiot saying these in such stupid terms)

Very cool, how the hell did you think of this? And how long did it take?

I once noticed that when you go into Split-screen mode, your guest can have Protags as well, and they reset every time you sign on as the guest. This included the HP healed career protag. Realizing that, I was able to to figure out how to get that information - go into Blitz mode (as that is the only way to get your Guest and main controller on the same team), heal said class 'til fully overhealed, leave Blitz, go to a Crossfire match, make a private lobby, and look at the guest's protags.

As you can see, it's very time consuming.

I had an entire day to myself, and I was forced to stay home. It took maybe 2-3 hours of testing a re-testing to get all these numbers.

This is why he's Sexy D, the knowledge master.

This is very useful info. Can you also include the health threshold you need to survive one hit kills like assassin front/back grapple and sniper headshot?

Lovely. Just for fun though: wouldn't it make sense to compare how much damage the HHG does killing pros? I imagine the number would be a bit off, but you could compare it to the overheal decay data and get a possibly better idea of how much HP pros really have.

Sounds better than the data on the Wiki for sure, good job

A post by one of the developers stated that it's that way to make the game more exciting, but it's not trickery: it's numbers. I can't find the post but I'll paraphrase it here:

"If we think it should take 4 shots to kill someone with 100 health, how much should each shot do? The obvious answer is 25 since 25 times 4 = 100. However, I think the answer is 33. This way, there will be many times you escape with 1 HP which creates more excitement of 'Whoa, I barely survived'."

Nice post, btw. Thanks for the effort!

It doesn't matter if armor is statistically significant from a numbers standpoint. What matters is that certain armor endorsements will let you live through very standard things you otherwise couldn't. Not being insta-gibbed by charge/grapple/bomb is important.

Might I put out there, on an Assassin her health doubles with Gold Armor and to your data it is not accurate. Although I do respect the time you put into this, it does not all add up.

Two things:
1) I said that some of the numbers can be off by a bit, and that these were all estimates.
2) Do you 100% for certain know that it doubles her health? If so, how?

Comparing to this thread:
http://www.uberent.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13876

SXD's figures scaled to match:

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                    No armour     Bronze     Silver     Gold
Tank passive 1	   250           275        300        325
Tank passive 2	   287.5         312.5      337.5      362.5
Tank passive 3	   325           350        375        400
Support passive 1   137.5         162.5      187.5      212.5
Support passive 2   200           225        250        275
Assassin            100           125        150        175
Assault             162.5         187.5      212.5      237.5
Sniper              100           125        150        175
Gunner              225           250        275        300

Interesting. Gold armour nerf or inaccurate data? If accurate, looks like the Gunner and Assault had their base armour boosted to compensate.

That thread is under the assumption that the base damage for the Rail Gun in all instances is the same. Scathis once mentioned somewhere that there are damage multipliers to be accounted for, so it's quite possible that some classes would take less damage from the Rail Gun than others.

no armor dies in one death blossom, gold armor dies in 2?

Doesn't mean that it doubles her HP. One Deathblossom could do 400 damage, which would effectively kill an unarmored Assassin in one hit, and a Gold Armored one in 2 hits. She still dies in 2 hits, but doesn't necessarily mean her HP is doubled.

Of course, those numbers are just pulled out of my @ss for example purposes. Not near my xbox right now to be able to check, but the point is still valid

I carried out the same test. Here are my figures for tank, support and assassin (it's getting too late to test the others). Pretty much the same as SXD's allowing for inaccuracies of the method. Mine are definitely more inconsistent.

Tank - Passive 1 // Passive 2 // Passive 3
No Armor: 720 // 840 // 1000
Bronze Armor: 840 // 960 // 1120
Silver Armor: 920 // 1080 // 1200
Gold Armor: 1040 // 1160 // 1320

Support - Passive 1 // Passive 3
No Armor: 440 // 640
Bronze Armor: 520 // 720
Silver Armor : 600 // 840
Gold Armor: 720 // 920

Assassin [harder to measure as 'no armour' and 'bronze armour' don't fill evenly, when it looks like it's full there's a tiny sliver left at the end]
No Armor: 360
Bronze Armor: 440
Silver Armor : 560
Gold Armor: 640

Inaccuracies aside, it looks like bronze, silver and gold armour endorsement each increase your health by the same amount (80-120 HP)

Props to SXD for coming up with this and having the patience to work through all the classes.

I'm completely aware of that, however I've been running silver armor for a long time, however I'm pretty sure that bronze armor is enough to allow the sniper to survive many things that would OHKO an unarmored sniper. I ran silver armor because I was under the impression that there was a bigger difference between silver and bronze armor. Seeing the actual difference makes me want to try a RoF/Skill/Armor class rather than the RoF/Armor/Skill class that I previously thought was the best combination for my play style.

If I was a gambler who was into conspiracy theories, I'd bet Uber changed this recently, and that bronze did used to be significantly worse than silver (ie the values were closer to those in the wiki)

It would seem that SXD's method is more accurate than the "railgun" method. More ticks: higher sample size. At least in my way of thinking.