Orders as a First Class Entity

Discussion in 'Backers Lounge (Read-only)' started by Pawz, January 22, 2013.

  1. Pawz

    Pawz Active Member

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    Dear UberEnt team,

    I can't find confirmation of this anywhere, so I was wondering if I'm hoping up the wrong tree on this topic.

    So straight up - are you guys working with orders as a first class entity, or are we still looking at the traditional style unit-gets-orders, unit blows up orders are lost paradigm?
  2. BulletMagnet

    BulletMagnet Post Master General

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    It's been mentioned, but I've had a hard time finding them too.


    Also... :backers lounge:
  3. Pawz

    Pawz Active Member

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    I prefer asking questions that may be controversial / undecided / work in progress for the Uber team, here in the Backer's forum.
  4. LordQ

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    This sort of thing isn't particularly radical or controversial compared to the stuff they show in their livestreams, which reach the eyes of non-backers as well.
  5. Pawz

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    And yet, it's not a question that's been answered, or even spoken about yet. You would think it would have a fundamental impact on the way both the AI and the UI would function too.
  6. Sorian

    Sorian Official PA

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    That is simply because we don't want to promise something and then not deliver.

    Trust me, this topic has been discussed at length in the office.
  7. KNight

    KNight Post Master General

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    I also thought there was a thread on it before, but I couldn't find it, it's also come up fairly often during other threads.

    Mike
  8. Sorian

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    I thought so too, but I didn't bother looking.
  9. BulletMagnet

    BulletMagnet Post Master General

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    If, ultimately, it's decided against by Uber... could you at least leave the possibility open for the modders to do it?
  10. Pawz

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    Yeah, I brought it up only because it was such a good concept but had never been confirmed (or denied). There was lots of discussion on how it could solve a number of issues, but I imagine it brings its own set of challenges as well.
  11. zordon

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    This was actually originally posted to reddit, wayyy back at the start of the ks.

  12. ledarsi

    ledarsi Post Master General

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    I was sure there were huge threads about this, including one with this exact title. Where did it go?

    If we haven't posted about this, then this abstraction stuff needs to get in this forum in a big way.
  13. ooshr32

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    It has had quite a bit of attention but it's spread across several threads on things like Zero-K features, Area Commands, Force Organisation, Confirmed Features (after the Reddit), etc. plus there's a wiki entry too.
  14. Pawz

    Pawz Active Member

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    It's never been in confirmed status, and it seems obvious Uber is in the process of sorting out the UI and how it will interact with units.

    Gathering from what Sorian said here I imagine the idea has been talked about, but the feasibility isn't clear yet.

    Unmentioned as of yet is how much of the engine is already made - if it's not OFCE based, a rework would probably be a considerable amount of effort.

    On the other hand, I believe you could manage to achieve the same effect by layering a 'smart AI' layer between the UI and the unit orders - the smart layer stores orders from the UI and issues direct orders to the units as necessary.
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