Pay to Win.... Do we support this?

I have been posting that the majority of the community opposes the buying commanders with special abilities.This isn't about recognition any more uber. A simple skin would prove that someone supported this game and would give them the fuzzies. You have stated you will give each commander different Abilities. But we are going to "balance them". It is fundamentally impossible to balance two different things. Separate but equal only exists in the minds of Segregationists. But none the less Uber seems that segregating players into Paying, and Paying More. Does it make you happy to hear, sure you bought the game, but you are at a disadvantage now because you can not use all the strategies that the guy just used to destroy you? Its just a commander unit, right? Who uses commander units anyways, its a good thing that's not the most important unit the game especially on ranked maps. You are going to be playing rock paper, scissors and your paying opponent will respond with Nuke. Granted why didn't you scissors to defuse the nuke? Probably because your opponent has a inherit advantage because you aren't as familiar with nukes being used in your rock paper scissor game. Do we as a community feel better when we pay MORE to fully utilize a game we already bought? Do you guys who payed more want to flamed every single game you play because you payed to win? Lets actually get some Statically Data.

The alpha is not even ready yet and your off with the fear mongering about pay to win.

Please point me to a link from uber saying it other wise it is pay to pritty up

Many RTS's have different races and units, and they can be balanced. Just look at FA even, with 4 different races and many different units. I dont see how 2 different things cant be balanced, many games have done it before.

Why is this even a poll? For sarcasm? To see if we actually do support pay to win just because 100+ players are going to get custom commanders?

Whatever the difference in Commanders will be, it will be balanced according to Uber. Probably a minute change in stats. Having said that, there are only about 100 custom commanders, which you get 3 or 5 keys to share your commander with friends, I forget. Out of 44,000+ backers.
That is a 1% or less chance of fighting someone that has one.

Nothing has come out yet, no stats have been announced, so why are you crying foul?

Where is the "Shut up and stop reincarnating very old, bad and widely dismissed ideas?"

There are already 2 threads on this and you had to make a third with a poll?

Commanders with unique abilities isn't pay to win....
/facepalm

Where's my poll option for "Why are you being such an ignoramus?"

I trust Uber. And clearly:

That is untrue.

Stop whining. There are 102 Kickstarter backers at this level. Let's double that perhaps for the Paypal, though I HIGHLY doubt there will be that many. 204 special commanders, multiplied by 5 for the special keys. At most there will be 1020 of these unique commanders across the entire community. And just going off the number of Kickstarter backers of 44162, thats 2% of the community. That's without counting the paypal contributors, and doubling the number of unique commanders for a top limit, though I highly doubt there were that many paypal backers at that level.

This is before ANYBODY else has bought this game. And amongst those 44162, there will be some who bought extra game keys for friends. For example, I was unable to directly back this, but my friend bought a key for me. I'm certain i'm not the only one who has done that. And this will be a great game, and there will be thousands, if not millions, of copies sold worldwide. With every copy sold, there will be a smaller chance to encounter one of these commanders.

Example, we'll say there are 500000 players in the community. 0.204% chance of encountering one of them at this level. 1000000, 0.102%. 5000000, 0.0204% chance. I would be honoured to face one of these commanders in game, even if it meant I automatically lost. Which i doubt it will apart from the fact that I'm a terrible RTS player. Uber will confidently balance this to some degree that it won't imbalance the game.

Hell, an epic dance that everyone in the game was forced to see at the beginning of the game, with a special skinned commander would be awesome enough for anyone in my opinion.

In second thought is the op trolling?

where's the 'you're a whinging bitch' option?

it's kickstarter, and it's not pay to win. it's pay to be different. not the same thing, as explained ad nauseum to all the bads previously.

I see no reason to vote in this poll. The question, as asked has only one answer. Obviously, nobody wants to pay for something they feel they have already payed for, or should get free. More importantly, nobody with any authority has suggested that there will be a system resembling pay to win, just another forum user in another thread floating an idea. If you hate it, go debate in that thread.

Note: That user was the OP of this thread...

1. OP posts about an old topic.
2. Everyone welps onto him, for being a fool.
3. OP runs, tail between legs, and isn't seen in thread again.

Justice is served.

Haha certainly seems so. Wow to see a thread so universally united in opinion like this is almost uncanny.

god stop that, it makes me just more sad that i didnt pledged the unique commander tier XD

I love how, when reading between the lines, the OP is saying 2 other things as well;

A] Uber is incapable of making different commanders balanced(despite having done just that with SupCom/FA ACUs).

B] That they will not change thier plan for different commanders when they fail to balance them.

I mean come on, it's one thing to say that you don't like an idea, it's another to insult the Dev for it!

Uber has stated they want to have a go at making commanders different, at this point there is the Stock, Alpha, Progenitor and Custom Commanders, and there are hints to being more stock options as well, thought nothing confirmed yet, and we still have no idea how they will be different, it could be that those who pledged have to select from a list of potential options, or all customs might be the same, or they might be one of teh stock options, we really have no idea yet, don't forget that Uber has no one but themselves(and us) directing them, there's no publisher with a choke-hold on the projects funds they need to please, lets give them the space they need to test and experiment and let this rest until we have something factual to talk about.

Mike

...What?

So, wait. You say that if they are different, they can't be equal. Yet, you are arguing against racism? That is pretty much the definition of racism. "Different can't be equal".

I am sure the commanders were more than payed-to-win, as you will never see any of the people who spent that much cash to get a custom commander anyway. And, I am sure they get a different ability, but lose the primary one, meaning they would want to use all the commanders, especially if the primary has the most useful ability and the others get interesting ones yet lose the best ability.

Thus, be quiet till we see whats what.

You can hardly consider the data we have on the differences between the commanders as "pay to win" allredy.

We have no idea what differences they speak of, or how they will effect gameplay. But if some games out there manage to balance different factions to a acceptable level against each other, then i doubt they wouldent be able to do the same with the commander unit itself.

I assume that they would give all the custom commanders the same special bonus that only the "custom commander" get (Not unique ones for every custom commander). So you can still learn how to play against them (Not running into aloot of completely different commanders).

Even if they made all the custom commanders truly unique (stats/powers/etc) i doubt it would ruin the game. There are some games like starcraft for example were you use allmost perfect build orders and a 2 second delay or advantage at the start can win or lose you the game. But games like this (Im assuming this finished title will be simular to TA or SupCom in this regard) dont.

Even if im wrong and they add some super ultra elit custom commanders that basicly decide the outcome of the battle before its started (very unlikely), i doubt they would permit such a thing in ranked matches.


I suggest we wait and see for a while. Without further data on how they plan this (Its just in planning btw, not a confirmed feature, right?) its premature to speak for or against it.

I saw OP's number of posts and just deigned not to comment. Unfortunate bias against the not-retarded newbies, but the only way we can really get anything done
Not that anything of import has been discussed for like half a month, I think we're all idea'd out by this point ><

The Question of the Thread "pay to win... do we support this?" differs quite a bit from the poll. I dont support any kind of balance-influencing stuff. Everyone should have the same units and the same possibilities gameplay-wise. Apart from that I either dont care about additional payed content (bacon-commander-hats) or I buy them(add-ons and stuff).
Sure an add-on probably changes the balance, but it should be clear that all players ingame just need to have the addon to play together.


and yes this forum is so out of topics... we need some more game content before we can discuss anything meaningful again xD

I honestly have a hard time understanding how people can get so worked up about this subject.

For example what if the custom commanders had a small palette of different types of features that they chose from? Then what if that same set of features was represented in the non-custom commanders available to all?