Gunner grapple damage

Dear devs:

Please bump up the gunner grapple damage; it should not share the same damage table as the sniper grapple. Look at the sniper. Now look at the gunner. Who is a skinny little beanpole and who is a powerhouse? Why should their grapple damage be similar/the same?

<Kevin Butler> C'MON!!! </Kevin Butler>

Seconded. Sniper's grapple is overpowered.

first, use the {quote=kevin}{/quote} except with []'s... you know...

secondly, snipers grapple isnt too overpowered, even with armor a lvl 3 bomb kills them, a face-grapple often kills them and especially after a lunge, and a clip of shurikens kill even when your in their icetrap. get in an even gunfight with a sniper, you often win.

thirdly, maybe the gunner should have a 2x more damaging grapple... or a grapple with some kind of effect, like stun or being able to grapple a jackbot (only with an upgraded red-button grapple, not the secondary weapon one)

fourthly, i do not know if that would be balanced. id say it would be, but i played the gunner yesterday for 1/2 the matches i played, and was pleased that i could kill anything anywhere and sometimes in masses. id say its balanced right now, but it wouldnt hurt to give a slow class a slightly better grapple. plus stun effect would be good against juicers, and the jackbot thing would also make sense for that class.

seriously tho...
minigun:9/10
mortar gun:13/10
so skills:2/10 sounds fine by me

Shut up, the gunner is bigger there for stronger and does it tiki style. Have you ever gotten in a fight with a samoan? They will wreck your ****. Have you ever gotten in a fight with a lanky string bean? I will wreck his ****.

To balance it, if anything, the sniper grapple needs nerfing or at least not have knockback at lvl2..
The gunner needs no buffs, he is easily powerful enough. Game balance and realism sometimes clash..but realism isn't fun, so it takes a back seat.

I basically only play gunner and would much rather see a sniper nerf than a gunner buff...just sayin.

The sniper grapple already got scaled back, and unfortunately, I think the gunner grapple got scaled back with it.

Unlike the assassin, sniper and assault, the gunner can't charge, sneak up on or trap people into a grapple. So sharing the same damage table doesn't make sense. We should get a buff since they're harder to come by and it mostly entails people coming to us, which good players usually don't do.

Gunner grapple damage was untouched in the Sniper's grapple change.

A lvl 3 bomb won't kill a sniper, nor will a dagger front grapple.

So, prior to the patch, the sniper's grapple was even MORE powerful than the gunner's?

I DEMAND JUSTICE!!!

And you can deliver it to me by way of a damage increase in the gunner's grapple. Otherwise I'm going to think someone at Uber has a major sniper fetish. It's only rational that a gunner would deal more damage than a sniper.

Lvl 3 bomb and front assassin grapple is capable of one hit killing a sniper without armour..not sure with bronze/silver.
And no buffs are necessary. The gunner doesn't require a grapple at all and already dominates generally at other ranges, not to mention that the mini gun rips through pros at close range. Rational or not, for gameplay balance the gunners grapple shouldn't be buffed. The sniper is possibly, if any is, the most powerful pro, with a OHK long/mid range weapon (quick scoping), a strong medium/ short range automatic weapon (with the right endorsements), traps tht completely cease the advances of any opponent that gets close and a possibly the most powerful skill grapple in the game which gains knockback at te lowest level. It makes more sense to make a relatively small nerf to the sniper than buff a class who is already capable at most ranges.

I'm fairly certain that someone at uber had a big sniper fetish.

The Sniper damage was a bug, it was getting applied twice, thus doing 2x damage.

The gunner's grapple skill is the most poorly designed skill of any class due to his low speed. Its status could be updated to pathetic if the gunner took a single step and extended his hand to reach for an enemy.

You'll need at least silver speed (from endorsements or pickups) before you can really attempt to use the skill on an enemy pro. I don't think that condition applies to any other skill in the game. You don't need to use your grapple against bots as your weapons will kill them rather quickly. If you do need a grapple you already have one as an alternate fire from your mortar.

meh gunner grapple is fine, when you consider the firepower the gunner class has...he needs no buffs.

The grapple is mainly just for crowd control and fending off people trying to hug you when you time your slam badly.

Honestly at lvl3 it will almost 1shot a gold armor assassin/sniper plus has the knockback, damage seems fine to me

On about this again? Are you at the point where you just cut and paste from before or do you actually type it out each time?

I realize your feelings probably get hurt a little every time I say it (since you are the creative director), and if so I am truly sorry. I say it because it happens to be true.

When I played with a developer yesterday, I happened to buy grapple level 2 by accident. That dev, who will go nameless happened to say "It's not completely worthless; what better way is there to taunt an enemy than kill him with the gunner grapple."

So I know I'm not the only one.

My feelings don't get hurt, after 9 years in the industry I have very thick skin.

I know there are other voices about it being perceived as worthless. There are also voices that say otherwise. I hear complaints about lots of different systems in the game on a daily basis.

It's your opinion and you're welcome too it, I was just wondering if you copy/paste your complaint or actually type it out each time.

Scathis, the way you are being dismissive right now makes you sound like a real douche. While I am annoyed by the constant re-occurring complaints about certain aspects of this game and know how you feel. There is a slight difference between me being a douche and you being a douche. I'm not trying to sell anyone here anything, so the worst that can ever happen to me here is get banned. The worst that will ever happen to you is you will drive away customers from future products.

I know you are in the designing side of things and think you don't effect sales. But when go out and treat customers the way you are, you can push them away. You should want to create goodwill, not annoyed customers. If you are tired of him and his complaints there are far better ways of telling him you hear what he is saying, but it isn't the way you want to go with your product.

They banned your friend because he was being dumb. Get over it.