my friends and I agree - Assassin...

No the assassin is the strongest class when you factor in all the exploits (cloak, dagger lunge, infinite dash, walking on air.....)

If however you are referring to the assassin being the weakest class based on health then you are correct sir.

What? I assume most people on this forum are evaluating the class based on its skills, health, damage, movement, etc.

The Assassin is underpowered if not glitched by any of the things you are listed (except cloak while grappling).

Um. I don't think it's fair to count glitches in there. And walking on air? What?

The Assassin is comparitively the weakest class overall, easily.

Being a veteran doesn't mean jack, apparently. And your friends need serious medical attention.

You can't understand that the class is way too powerful? Yeah, neither can I, because it's NOT.

You're beyond words at how fast the Assassin is? Oh noez! Assassins can run fast? WHAT DO WE DO NOW?!?! And at how much damage she takes? I don't get it either. If you sneeze at her general direction, she dies.

I don't know how you kill a turrent, but I'm sure it involves a ton of luck.

They SHOULD be able to kill an Assault in 1 strike. He's the jack of all trades, and has low health. Equip bronze armor, and, voila, you live. If you choose not to do that, it's your choice, and problem. Stop bitching.

So, the Assassin destroys your base, and kills your teammates. Like you're supposed to?

Listen, I'm sorry you've had the bad luck to come up against players that actually know what they're doing. But, when you realize what right trigger does, maybe you'll overcome this great obstacle in your life, and stop whining to everyone about something that's completely false.

When a Asn is Juiced nothing really hurts them, not this "overpowered" firebase or a level 3 rock-it.

I have seen countless Asn clean out my base of level 3 turrets single handedly, ignoring my entire teams fire as they wreck turret after turret only to cloak and run away.

Lol you clearly main the Asn. I bet your pissed about the cloak loss during grapple.

I am saying with Juice they are, Sure the Tnk and Gnr can take out a Money ball single handedly, but so can a Asn. The Tnk and Gnr can not take out every turret in a base while Juiced though.

I have started to play the Asn and its clear they are meant to kill targets off on their own. They are not meant to go into a group of enemies and pick one off. Learn the role and you find the Asn is balanced. When juiced it becomes OP in comparison to other Juiced classes of course.

Lvl 3 Lazer Blazer/Firebase with a lvl 3 hack will destroy a Assassin.

Don't forget that people can still grapple a juiced assassin and have them take punishment from the turrets for that duration.

Sure a juiced assassin is powerful, but still takes far less damage to kill than any other class while juiced. I've been killed while juiced without even being grappled by a combination of hacked turrets, hacked firebases, and players. It's not like they're impossible to kill...

Now one that is using exploits is a different situation all together, those people have no skill and can't play the class the way it's supposed to be and will probably cry when the update hits! :mrgreen:

The Assassin is, next to the tank, one of the least powerful classes in the game. Every class can excel when used properly, but the assassin is one that never seems to top the leaderboards for some reason.

Part of it has to do with vulnerability. Not only does she tie the sniper for the lowest health in the game, but it seems like every class was built in some way with the intent of having multiple easy counters for her.

Assaults can spray with AR's, charge, and hover with a jetpack to prevent grapples.

Gunners can stun and expose them with slam, and once a gunner sees an assassin, dual miniguns take her out almost instantly with little to no effort.

Supports have the shotgun that can OHKO at the range she requires in order to excel. They can also build turrets anywhere that, when fully upgraded and hacked, will usually kill an assassin before she can finish a grapple.

Snipers can lay traps and OHKO snipers with their grapple. And spray with their SMG. Flak also helps keep them out a path for a short time too, buying the sniper enough time to escape or corner them.

Tanks can survive assassinations from behind and light her on fire with little to no effort once she gets close. He can also jet charge her, usually killing her instantly.

No other class has this many weaknesses.

Not only that, but her shirukens are worthless against moving targets, her smoke bomb blinds pros for less than half a second, and should a pro be aware of her presence in their general area, the loud hum and way-too-obvious shimmer of her cloak make her easy to spot, and since every other class has a rapid-fire-high-damage weapon, Assassins can truly hit rock bottom against a good team.

And about taking out turrets with juice.....isn't that the case with every single class in the game? The assault's AR, the Tank's jet gun, the Gunner's minigun, the sniper's SMG, the only class that can't easily destroy and entire set of turrets with one juice is the Support, which makes sense since he's the easiest class to get juice for. (he can still run in and call in airstrikes, though, but rocket turrets still limit him to 2-3 turrets max with help and distraction from teammates)

Also, the Assassin is by far the easiest class to kill when juicing. If you upgrade your rocket turrets, with help from a gunner they can easily get her to less than half health before being taken out. Grapples and slams can really slow her down, making assassins and supports incredibly proficient at taking her out.

If you still think her juice is OP, try fully upgrading tank deploy and passive. Get juice, and once their money ball's down, go juice and deploy and endlessly burn their ball. Even with an entire team trying to take you down, if you have gobi-numb you can take an astronomical amount of damage. The shortest time I've spent juiced and deployed in front of a money ball is 10 seconds, because a Sniper managed to get a shot on me. Other than that, it's usually at least the entire duration of juice and then some, with more than half of the money ball's health gone. Just respawn, buy another juice and charge back on in, deploy, and juice and the money ball is down.

Seriously dude, the Assassin is not OP. If you keep losing your turrets, then stop building long shots and lazer blazers, and start making Rockits and Shaveices. Get out there and start alternating between heal/hurt gun for slims and shotty for Blackjacks. Just grapple a blackjack, drain until it recharges (get aptilube for best results) and switch back once it does. Keep doing that, and you should tear through bots with no problems, and have enough to upgrade your turrets. Hack them every chance you get, too. And if an Assassin comes in and goes juice, save yours til then and activate it. Drain her with the heal/hurt gun, and it's game over.

You need to play as one, and do what happened to you, before you complain about how overpowered they are.

Play assassin for a while, maybe 20 games. Get a feel for it. Try what other assassins do, and see if it's easy.

Classes that are effective against the assassin:

Snipers
Tanks
Support Firebases

*Gunner mortar can take out any turret without juice*

I signed up for the forums for just this post and I gotta say this right now. Rockits and shaveice did nothing to this sin I was playing against earlier. It didn't help that we were getting trap in our base at steelpeel. So we couldn't really get out of the base. At this time this assassin was using the speed glitch and would constantly juice. Every rockit and shaveice and me as a support would get destroyed by them.

Firebase level 3.3 + the one time we got the rockit to level 2.3 + 1 shave ice + me + a gunner and sniper died to this constant juice rushing assassin. Soon as juice ran out, he would run out of the base and 5 seconds later rush back in with more juice. I did a few times grapple the sin just to delay turret destruction and hoping to get help but it never happen.The only time we got him was when I told my sniper friend to throw a ice trap near a turret.

Other then that one juiced sin, I usually never had problems with them. I do kinda suggest buffing up the turrets defenses/hp some because it was getting annoying over healing the turret, go to another part of the base and over healing them and come back to see a juiced sin come and rape me and continue turret raping.

The only thing that irks me about the assassin is the speed glitch (getting patched, no problem) and the fact I have to run a silver armor endorsement (I use Sniper and Assault as fun classes) at the very least to survive a front-grapple, which has the most atrocious detection in existence.

I get front-grappled because 1) my traps don't go off, 2) you can speed glitch right on past them, and 3) I get grappled through shotgun shots, in the middle of a jump, through walls [this is possible], and loads of other magical **** that just ruins it for me.

Assassins HAVE to run gold armor endorsment to survive anything, even then it's still like a two shot from anything. And the sniper grapple is incredibly stronger than the assassins, don't know why you're complaining about it.

The original post was obviously in jest.

As I stated many rant's previously, why can't Uber post the stats on these subjects? We all have our areas of expertise in different facets of the game and there is always someone who can exploit our weaknesses. Instead of complaining about each class, which is what most of these forums seem to consist of, lets get some facts.

I don't main assassin but I have payed it from time to time (usually just for fun when my team gets split up) and I agree it's one of the hardest to play. It's one of the best when learned how to play correctly as she can kill bots the easiest, get juice rather easily and can take down key players, but anything other than a lot of time spent with her and usually it'll be disastrous.

There's nothing OP about the assassin without juice, and some of the annoying speed glitches are being fixed.

That said,

I do think she is too powerful with juice. Any other class coming in can usually only get 1 or 2 turrets down before they're grappled (thus wasting their juice) because they're still relatively slow. The investment isn't too high to rebuild. With an assassin however, she's near impossible to take down from grapples and fast enough that she CAN and HAS covered enough ground to take out all the turrets in our base.

HAVING to upgrade all of our turrets to level 3.3 rockits and forcing our support to turtle with his firebase is WAY too much of an investment for defense against ONE player. When all that money needs to be spent and 2 people permanently stationed at home to defend, in that case she is overpowered with juice.

My problem though isn't really with the assassin though, it's with juice overall. People either deal too much damage or take too much damage. I really think either the durability or damage needs to be toned down.

In this case, well yeah, the Assassin is going to pwn. I've encountered plenty of juice-happy Assassins, but never one that could get it in 5 seconds. If any class can do that, well then it's nearly impossible to beat them for the obvious reason that they have endless god mode.

I gave my strategy because it works for me. Assassins can't really cloak while juiced, and fully upgraded Shaveices slow them down a ton. Fully upgraded and hacked rockits do a ton of damage, enough to cripple a juiced Assassin if they don't immediately take them out. Plus, any rockets fired before the Assassin cloaks will still usually hit her once she has. It works well against legit juicing Assassins, but you're going to lose at least one turret each time, and 5 seconds is just not enough time to recover.

I agree, the grapple needs some form of counter. Even with armour 3 a support can barely survive a grapple to the face. Assasains should be sniper killers which they just cant do (maybe due to the insane sniper trap spam+insta kill grapple they get?)

Want to know what killed me most of the time in the last game I just played with 3 assassins on the opposite team working together? The support with the shotgun. While I was distracted bouncing about like a jumping mexican bean and 3 assassins running around me doing the missed grapple animation he'd saunter up and blat me out of the air like a clay pidgeon. If it wasn't for that support then I could've played with the three stooges all day

If jumping around like a lunatic making grapples laughably pointless isn't counter enough then I suggest the only appropriate counter is to remove grapples from the game completely

I'm level 65 and I've NEVER seen an assassin get over 30 kills in a round, obviously I know it's been done, but I've never witnessed it. Good assassins get 25 kills, bad assassins get 25 deaths. I've seen every other class hit 40+ kills.

I've played quite a bit as assassin, not my main class but still logged some time. You have to WORK to get a high kdr, anyone can farm bots and get high on the leader board. But to get high kills and streaks it's harder than any other class IMO. I hit an UBER streak my 3rd round playing as support, I've not come even close to hitting one with assassin.

I'm not saying they're underpowered at all, I think it's a great class with lots of team value, but overpowered? No way.

My main is a tank, you want to talk about overpowered when juicing? You wanna see some turrets get dropped? You wanna see a whole team die with one button press?

I've run into a couple great assassins in my time playing, literally 2.

Best I've done as an assassin is 31-0