A list of essential improvements...

i have done exactly that as support on tullys
also do it on steel peal as sin when we get locked in our base

This is not correct. Before the armor nerf you needed at least silver armor to survive all front stabs. You can still survive dagger front stabs with silver barely (50 hp); sword will still OHK. The only way to totally survive ANY front stab now, as a light class, is gold armor. Regardless of armor; a pre lunge or post lunge that connects is still your ***.

Dagger FS: 400 dmg Lunge 134 Total : 534
Sword FS : 450 dmg Lunge 167 Total : 617

Gold Armor : 525
Silver : 450
Bronze : 375

No play testing required. You are boned unless you run gold if you can't kill the assassin before she stabs you in the face. Attempting to grapple fight an assassin is borderline suicidal against even mediocre players. The best case scenario is you allow the assassin to front grab you then spam redskill grapple while hoping the latency gods allow you to grab her and ring her out. If you try to grapple first chances are good that she will catch you with your grapple still on CD, skills don't recharge in grapples, and then you are free lunge bait.

Also, as a side note, please stop trying to act like the assassin is not built primarily to take out bots just because you find it tedious. She gets a 10x damage multiplier against bots. This gives the assassin the highest sustained dps to bots period. Tank can deathblossom waves but this is only good when making the final ball push or defending your own ball; otherwise it's terribly inefficient as far as all other game aspects are concerned. Assassin's that focus their time on bot killing and destroying turrets win games. Assassin's that try to be uberleet ninjas are a blessing to the other team because they are not doing their job and feed money.

Cart before horse. Juice is an OP mechanic; two co-ordinated players juicing simultaneously always "pretty much wins" the game.

Naturally; if I were to invest time joining an elitist clique of self-important bores - it wouldn't be in order to organise competitive play in a *dead game*.

Good, so you have no experience against good players and therefore everything you say is rather pointless regarding... well, everything (especially assassins) since you base it on pubs which is bad in a team game, because there is no communication and they are full of bad players like you (judging by what you write about, for example, the assassin).

Assassin is a "play to win" class. If you don't kill bots, take out turrets, stop caring about K/D, etc. you are not doing it right.

High five, Moron Brother, you have gained 50 As points for this one , dam I need to troll someone to make sure you wont take my position

I will win this competition in the long run.

Ehm... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=9953
Try harder, cuz as you can see I already got award for it

That's something given to you by verden, a second-class sniper, and you care about it. I am disappoint son.

I can smell how jelly you are all the way to the office trough my laptop, kiddie

I do believe that you are just mad because I backgrappled you yesterday.

I do believe you are jelly mad because I am a bigger Ashole and you lag as hell cuz I was already at the jump pad, thats how much you hack, you hack so everyone gets a worse latency

Moose's hacks.

Meaningless, as the bots go down so quickly anyway. If the bots spawned in a never ending deluge, you'd have a point. They don't, which gives plenty of time for skills to cooldown and to reload between the waves.

"Other" game aspects? What, like all the other stuff the tank could be doing? Well guess what, the same can be said of the assassin.

Turrets, yes. But if the turrets are up, it doesn't many how many of your bots you sherpherd forward, they're still going to get cut down.

Breaking their best players' streaks / juice levels and keeping them off the front line is more useful than icing some bots that your turrets / a FB / some grenades / an ejector / the annhiliator / ANYTHING IN THE GAME will make short work of.

I find kick-*** players juiced and running all over the map as if they own it is what wins matches, not some assassin messing around with breach bots until they discover that the opposing team has rolled over their MB and just needs one lucky kill + annihilator to undo all of the bot-farming assassin's hard work.

Oh, I see, "good players" (IE anyone part of your self-important clique) are physically unable to join public games, and as such I could never play against them... Noted, consider me chastened.

Ad hominem, but if it helps your cognitive dissonance, you can continue to dismiss my opinions out of hand...

If by "doing it right" you mean clearing their base of turrets and wiping all the bots out at their spawn while they manage to lock down your entire team unopposed at your spawn, thus securing themselves a massive supply of currency and juice to steam-roll you repeatedly until someone finally managed to get lucky and escort some bots past you - then yes, I see what you mean...

Why are turrets up? You didn't do your job.

You dumb? You appear to be. Very dumb actually. Skill play is open to anyone who wants to join. If you get invited a second time is another thing.

You do realize that there are 5 other people who are supposed to get map control right? So it's a 5 vs. 5.

Play with good people against good people and then come back to talk smack. As it is you are lacking experience in that scenario.

So long, kkthxbai

Vlane doesn't even upgrade cloak, he's the worst assassin I've ever seen, don't listen to his constant *******-ry.

I don't understand why PC players have such a hard time with the games balance? Uber caters to you guys, in a way , and you still complain about balance. XBox players haven't seen a balance change since December and the only gripes we really have is lack of content.

Like I've said many times balancing a game to cater to a casual play style is what breaks the game.

Lastly juice itself has not seen a single change since MNC's release so I believe it's save to assume it's not going to be changed.

Ah well I guess the player flow of the game remains negative then...

What I think he's saying is that he doesn't want Uber to cater to the idiots (which 90% of CoD players are).

However, there are some gamers who only want to remain loyal with one or two games, so many TF2 players are iffy about this game.

For the most part, the classes are pretty well balanced, nothing exceptionally gamebreaking except under rare circumstance. Something I would like to see is more content and some long term goals. New game modes are quite welcome right about now.

The trailers and everything are all pretty misdirecting about this game, because they are supposed to be funny. And funny games are often expected to be for casual players mainly, like TF2 pubs.

What i would like changed is the juice buying, which tends to ruin every match in MNC. Juice is just stoopid mechanic and too easy to obtain for how powerful it is (Not to mention about juice saving). And every match in pubs ends up either team steamrolling the other and total lockup for the losing team, which sucks too.
The design is just flawed, thats all. Nothing can be done to move in progress without juice.

Here we go again. another nub who wants to drastically change the game that I've come to love (including Juice). Quite frankly, I'm not in the mood to repeat w/e was said in another thread, so I'll leave you to dig it up.

Then I suppose after we flame the heck out of you here at some point, you'll go to the Steam forums (AKA house of trolls), like a few other nubs before you and start complaining there about Uber and the forums. You certainly wouldn't be the first.