What is the point of Ragnarok?

Discussion in 'PA: TITANS: General Discussion' started by tehtrekd, August 20, 2015.

  1. tehtrekd

    tehtrekd Post Master General

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    Other superweapons I can understand, I mean it's pretty simple stuff.
    But Ragnarok just makes no sense to me, I mean if you're capable of building a 60k metal structure on a planet it's safe to assume that you already have a significant hold on the planet, so what's the point?

    Nuke --> Destroy enemy base
    Planet smash --> Destroy enemy planet
    Annihilazer --> Destroy enemy planets
    Ragnarok --> Destroy a planet you already have some control over???

    Is there some underlining strategy to it I'm just not seeing? Am I just crazy, or is Ragnarok really useless?
  2. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    Consider a large teamgame with people having tons of resources. 60k suddenly is pretty cheap: Get a small secured place on a large enemy planet, make ragnarock, laught at them

    I think.

    Or troll large single planet FFAs.
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  3. emraldis

    emraldis Post Master General

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    I'm so using it to troll competitive 1v1's. "Oh hey, I'm slowly loosing? Nope. Draw game."
  4. cwarner7264

    cwarner7264 Moderator Alumni

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    This. Had so much fun doing this in a 5v5 yesterday.
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  5. stevenrs11

    stevenrs11 Active Member

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    I wish it had a "detonate now" button. That would lead to some interesting messages in ALL chat.
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  6. brandonpotter

    brandonpotter Well-Known Member

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    Build Ragnarok.

    Press Button.

    "Warning. One Minute to Planetary Annihilation"

    Boom!

    ....

    Profit?
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  7. Alpha2546

    Alpha2546 Post Master General

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    Played six games yesterday with some team burning members. Four of them ended with a ragnarok :oops:

    Totally fits the pa atmosphere. If I can't have it no one can if I can't win no one can kinda thing. Luv it
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  8. probodobodyne

    probodobodyne Active Member

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    A lot of things sound useless or unnecessary on paper (like why have Gil-Es and Bluehawks together when all Bluehawks have better is the ability to attack orbitals) but in game situations where they are useful happen pretty frequently. If I have the advantage but also a foothold on a planet my opponents escaped to, I see no reason not to smash their little rock, giving them even less room and giving myself an even greater advantage. It is mostly for team games, but I'm sure people will get creative with it on FFAs as well. In 1v1 you can force a draw if you are losing, why not do that?

    But I see some merit in the argument that 60k metal equals to other Titans and assuming the game is going equal, two Titans will probably trump a Ragnarok.
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  9. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    I dunno 60k metal is 2 atlas titans. That's ... you can win games with them. A lot.
  10. probodobodyne

    probodobodyne Active Member

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    Read the very end of my post. Overall it's very context dependant.
  11. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    Yeah I am just pushing that argument.
  12. icefire909

    icefire909 Member

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    Ragnarok 2 planets
    Send commander into space before detonation
    be known as that guy
    profit
  13. theseeker2

    theseeker2 Well-Known Member

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    I was playing in a 3 planet match, was building halleys on my moon, the enemy used a ragnarok to destroy one of his planets, so I ended up with 2 halleys unused because I had nowhere to move my commander to in order to not draw the game. That game never finished, I had a ragnarok completed on the enemy's last remaining planet and it was in the process of counting down, but the game crashed.
  14. philoscience

    philoscience Post Master General

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    To be awesome.
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  15. huangth

    huangth Active Member

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    I just played a 10 players FFA yesterday.
    The system contains only one large planet and an asteroid.
    Someone built the Ragnarok, and only 3 players escaped to the asteroid in time.

    I also get another idea: why not add an orbital layer to the sun?
    Thus, the player can hide his commander with Astraeus on the sun.
    And the Ragnarok can be a practical weapon even in the system with only one planet.
  16. Gorbles

    Gorbles Post Master General

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    Ragnarök is a series of future events, including a great battle foretold to ultimately result in the death of a number of major figures (including the gods Odin, Thor, Týr, Freyr, Heimdallr, and Loki), the occurrence of various natural disasters, and the subsequent submersion of the world in water. Afterward, the world will resurface anew and fertile, the surviving and returning gods will meet, and the world will be repopulated by two human survivors. Ragnarök is an important event in the Norse canon, and has been the subject of scholarly discourse and theory.
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    andrehsu Active Member

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    How about when two commanders both escape to the sun with no planet left?
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    killerkiwijuice Post Master General

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    It's a good way to suicide when you don't want to keep playing.

    I use it all the time lmao
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  19. huangth

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    If one side still has some orbital fighters, he wins.

    Or just allow the commander below the Astraeus to fire as a gunship.
    But the problem is that the enemy may keep moving to avoid fire.
    It is very high chance to make it a draw.
  20. bengeocth

    bengeocth Post Master General

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    The real question is how the original PA was released without a ragnorok.
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  21. zodiusinfuser

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    The Ragnarok definitely has it use. There's times in team matches where it's been used to destroy resource rich planets just to stop the enemy claiming them, or take out a metal planet that's about to fire. There's no issue getting a foothold if you have 20+ unit cannons it turns out :p.

    There was even one time when an enemy evacuated a main planet that was about hit by an asteroid and landed their forces on the moon I was controlling. Rather than fight off 10+ Helios' and however many Omegas, I evacuated my commander to a second base and Ragnarok'ed the moon to win the match. Both the planet and moon explosion occurred with seconds of each other :D

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