A question about crabs...

Den Kirson says the pancake does less damage than the head crab. ?

Maybe it stacks. 1500 plus 150.

Maybe it was scripted to insta-kill somewhere else, in the settings somewhere (as a ringout does), after that was tested and scrapped before release. Notice the flapjack is a "flattening effect" kill, looks scripted. Notice that a flapjack doesn't kill mr. jackbot, doesn't look like it does 1500 damage. Something seems to be going on.

Bomb lv1: 100 damage.
Bomb lv2: 200 damage.
Bomb lv3: 300 damage.
Attached bomb, regardless of level: 2000 damage.

Bombs don't discriminate between targets. The damage is always 100/200/300/2000 wether it's a player, bot, turret or money ball.

it needs to stop doing 2000 to money ball because that is rediculous

an assault can kill the money ball unjuiced faster than any other class in the game because of this..

Gold Skill Recharge = game over once shields go down.

firstly it does do different damage against different things:

BAL_EXPLOSIVE_DMGVSFIX =3.3
BAL_EXPLOSIVE_DMGVSFOD =2.5
BAL_EXPLOSIVE_DMGVSCRE =3.33 (this is moneyball, thus 999.99 damage from lvl3)
BAL_EXPLOSIVE_DMGVSINST =0.5

secondly, in my experience it takes about 10 or so (or more) crabs to kill the moneyball, making me believe it actually doesn't add the 2000 damage to cores, which might also be more likely since the add prolly only works on actors (anything spawned during map), and the core isnt one(?), more like a map entity

I just survived a headcrab with a Juiced Support...

I was draining health at the time. I run Silver armor too. Left me with a small chunk of health left.

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Like that much

Almost all classes other than Sin and Sniper, can live through a headcrab if they have gold armor and an overheal on them. I've seen some crazy **** when I headcrabbed a juiced gunner and he didn't die. P

Pro-tip - You can steal grapple kills with headcrabs too!

WTF? I thought a headcrab kills a juiced tank. I didn't even have full health at the time.

Fully overhealed tank should technically die from a headcrab.

700+300(passive)+300(gold armor) * 1.5 = 1950 max health
1300 * 1.66 = 2158 max health (this is juiced HP since damage is reduced by 66% you can basically act like he has that much more hp for the juice duration.)

1950 * 1.66 = 3237 hp (juiced and fully overhealed.)

Level 3 headcrab does 2300dmg + an unknown amount of burn damage.

So if the tank was juiced and had a little bit of over heal he'd survive (say, 150 health overhealed giving him the equivalent of 2400health while juiced, which should be enough to survive initial blast AND burn damage.)

On another note, found out last night that if you head crab an assassin just before they grapple you. you can blow it up in the middle of thier grapple, killing them and leaving you alive and not burning

But is there a reason i died as a support when already slightly damaged? I think its because I was draining at the time.

im confused as to where the support comes into this? if your meaning you ground zero'd the sin b4 you were grappled then thats a whole other chicken.

ground zero definitly works differently than a head crab. such as, as an assault if you get ground zero'd then you can use your charge just as the timer ticks to zero and avoid the artilary strike.

so if you zero'd a sin and the artilary strike hit while you were being grappled you could still be hit by the artilary.

sorry for spelling, im sure I mispelled some things in here.

I was the support, and it wasn't an airstrike. I got headcrabbed and survived it. I wasn't over healed or even at full health. If a Tank almost dies by a headcrab juiced shouldn't a support easily die from it :shock:

EDIT: Just realized i quoted the wrong post. Sorry for the confusion.

the assault died and it never blew up? dunno, beats me

It did blow up,i was left with little health.

An assault I was overhealing, the dumb bastard walked into an airstrike juiced.

He lived. :shock: :roll: :lol: