I need a little clarification?

This'll mainly be about the assassin since that's just about the only character I use, and before you tell me to use the search button, I already did, and that's what's likely confused me more.

Assassin and Crit shot Endorsements - So far i've seen that it does not affect a backstab. It affects the slash with the dagger/sword, and the Shuriken launcher. But when your using them, is it just random chance that you'll do crit dmg? Since it's a very fast paced games it's hard enough to get a grapple at times, so it's highly unlikely you'll be able to go for an accurate head slice with your blade unless the enemy lets you (and how often does that happen?), let alone often. Or is the blade an auto crit shot each and every time (I'd assume not), and if so, against what?. Also specifically the lunge for the assassin(right bumper), i know it deals extra dmg, but is that by design or just classed as a critical hit? I'm just trying to find out where the crit hit fits in with the assassin , cause crit hit is silver with the default assassin, so it would have to be more important than the odd piece of extra dmg here and there.

Assassin and grapple - Let's face it, you hate it when you get backstabbed, and it likely annoys you, and you'd be happier if they couldn't do it, but, assassinations are the main attraction/ability for the assassin itself. There is no point to the assassin without the grapple. So why is it soo painfully long for the grapple to regenerate. It takes the same amount of time for "every other class" that uses the grapple (Which in my humble opinion seems little more than an extra for the other classes), which i think is about 15 sec. Since it plays such an important role of the assassin, shouldn't it have a shorter time than the regular others? I think it should be reduced by a good amount anyway? Or am I just being greedy?

Soldier and their grapple - What is with it, it's just a little overpowered IMO, I can get a soldier from the front (usually my own mistake) and it takes about 2/3rds of their health, yet even with gold armor increase and silver health regen, the assassin will do about two-thirds damage to me from the front, but the soldier grapple smacks me in the face and i literally go flying across the map (if I'm lucky im not knocked out of the map), and with armor and health regen, I am instantly killed. The assassin's is "played" as to make the most of these grapples, yet the soldiers standard grapple from the front almost does more damage than the assassins backstab. just doesn't sound right to me.

Yes, my last part was a bit of a winge, but i still make a point.

I think the grapple cooldown for the Assassin is ridiculously as well, I mean it is practically their only way to get a kill. If they actually had some health it would be a different story, but grapples are lengthy and leave the assassin incredibly vulnerable.

THen again, the grapple cooldown it might be to give tards the message that Assassins are supposed to run the hell away once they're discovered...

Well I think that the assassin is great for sneaking behind enemy lines and keeping the class at home occupied and off focus, you cant do that without getting yourself wiped out very very quick. 1 kill every 15 odd sec isnt very efficient IMO. But still, if we have that speed, the other classes should have a longer regen, since that isn't their "specialty".

Also try a custom class with gold armor, and silver/bronze health regen, you'll find it helps a lot more than you would think. :twisted:

if an assassin is smart they can get an insta kill on their grapple..
plus they have cloak, smoke bombs (which the jump is a fantastic getaway skill) and dash, as well as their little mini dash with RB.
they dont need a lower cool down timer on their grapples, they are fine as they are.

give them less of a cool down, and youve got them grabbing everyone all the time, which isnt cool.
it also means they kill jackbots even faster.. again, not a good idea.

I don't mean an extreme reduction, about a third would be ample, it only really changes it from about 4 grapples a min to 6, which i think would still be an acceptable limit i believe. Cause almost everything to the assassin (abilities, and passive) just about points you to the assassination, that's very close to all the assassin is good for, the black and shuriken launcher is alright. But the main ability of the assassin is the grapple, which atm is equal to all other classes grapples, and should be better.

Though if someone could explain the issues I have in the first paragraph this might not even be an issue, since i can do a better build (couldn't think of a better word) for my specific playstyle.

Personally though i find the smoke bomb to be much more effective at slowing the advance of swarms of bots, giving other the chance to clean em up easier, and slowing the advance line.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that i agree that an assassin can get an insta kill if their smart, the point I don't like is the frequency at which we are allowed to do it. It would be like saying that the support can only heal 1 full bars worth of health before their weapon would have to cool down, and cooling down takes 15 seconds. That is what the assassin is like right now.

I am a team player (always have been) but that doesn't mean I shouldn't kill alot when i can. So I use my shurikens as often as i can, then bust out the sword right before a grapple. I have over 100 shuriken kills and my kd is 1.9 as of this writing. not bragging or anything, just saying to use your other weapons and think of other techniques.

Pffffff, actually stratigizing in an online shooter is for NEEEEEEERDS.

=P

I think I'm only sitting on about 45-50 shuriken kills atm, I would have more, but with any games that involve sneaking and the such, i prefer the close and personal approach. I usually have quite a sadistic attitude towards these kinds of classes. Just much more fun for me to get within the range of a sneeze then kill em. My personal humiliation towards them, since apparently people dont like gettgin snuck up on :roll:

Okay.

The problem isn't with the Assassin class. It's just as well balanced and built as the other five classes in the game.

The PROBLEM is with the people playing Assassin class. The people who choose Assassin class and ONLY play Assassin class are going through their "rouge assassin" phase. Meaning they have yet to experience the necessary paradigm shift in understanding of what the Assassin class IS to play it effectively.

People who don't fundamentally understand what the class is see the titties and the Sam Fischer mask and the katana and get all excited about being a badass that's just gonna Jet Li everything straight to the Moneyball and then Chun Li kick it into orbit.

This is why n00bert "rouge assassins" have KD's that make my dead grandma laugh hysterically. If you want to play that way, FINE, but you're gonna die. And it's YOUR fault.

The Assassin, as it's meant to be played is a SUBTLE, PATIENT class. Fundamentally different from the Tank and the Gunner. See, the Assassin is a SUPPORT CLASS. She looks offensive (and to her credit, once you learn what the crap you're doing, she is DEADLY as hell Offensively speaking) but her primary function when YOU are new to the class is getting the TURRETS down and ganking the lone camper occasionally.

If you're going to play the class to pad your kills, you're going to have just as many deaths. And in a game where your KD isn't anything other than a measure of epeen, when winners are judged by how much MONEY they have at the end, you're not helping anyone. Not even yourself. AND you're sucking at "looking cool" or "pwning noobs".

READ THE FORUMS. Do yourself a favor and play Assassin in Blitz. A lot. Follow the tactics here. Focus on taking out THOSE GODDAMN TURRETS in Crossfire so the REAL Offensive classes can push to the moneyball. If you see an open Pro kill, by all means go for it, but pick your spots and PREPARE. Don't run in like Richard Pryor on fire, or guys like me are going to PUT YOU IN THE DIRT the moment you get within 5 feet 80% of the time.

Hell, if I had it my way, you'd have to EARN the Support classes by playing the game and unlocking them. But, as it stands now, the "rouge assassins" are easy to pick out, and we either see you as a free kill or a surefire lock for a loss.

We're laughing at you. You're not pro because you can pick a class. There's nothing wrong with Assassin. YOU don't know how to play. Get skills, then try again. DON'T complain about things you don't understand. You look lame.

Lovely how day 2 there are "Know it all" folks already..

Playing assassin in Blitz is about as useful as Tits on a Mule...

Stop calling people noobs... the game came out yesterday.. by my count, that makes EVERYONE a noob at the game...

Dont be so judgemental, a balanced team is better than 3 assassins anyday..

I play gunner and have NO problem with assassins anymore.. Slam them.

I'm only regurgitating what I've read on the forums from people who have played way more than me. things I can't wait to try. I would never claim to know it all.

Compare THAT to people who have ostensibly been playing the same amount I have, coming on the forum, telling devs that the assassin class needs tweaks, and in the same breath, letting everyone know that they're playing the class in a way that's not necessarily intended or recommended. What would you say to an OP that creates a thread talking about how the Support gun is underpowered and needs a tweak because you can't just headshot people from across the map? There's a bunch of threads on this forum like that for the assassin class, which is in line with the personality type: didn't bother to see if there are other threads, or even if there are tactics threads for the class, just OMG UNBALANCED BUFF PLZ.

IMO, that's worse than know it alls, especially in a community where the devs are trying hard to take all positions into account.

"noobs" was being used as a sarcastic device to deride the know-it-all attitude of those who play rouge assassin and ragequit because they aren't actually know-it-alls.

Feel free to flame me. I'm not saying anything that already hasn't been said in nicer ways repeatedly. We don't even disagree, so I'm not sure what your problem is.

The problem is you have the adittude of a 14 year old.. and you are trying to belittle other players.. and why regurgitate anything.. just let people read it.. seems like you are a self important person with no team building skills... but that is just an opinion.

Everyone's got one, and they're welcome to it.

Thanks for setting me straight, Mr. Internet Man!

I couldn't stop laughing reading the OP.

Hope someone set him straight on why the recharge is s0000 painfully long.

Congratulations, you can tell someone how to play a game, good for you, I am quite honored that you put this thread in your sig too, means it won't go un-noticed, thanks. I hardly play as a rogue assassin, if you care to take any notice of my posts, i have stated that I do not going just for kills. I have pointed out things that I believe are un-balanced, to see if it is just me or other people agree with me. Isn't that what a community forum is for? I've played about 15 hours in crossfire just as the assassin so I believe I am entitled to my opinion thanks, and are able to make a fair opinion.

I also do play blitz with the assassin, so far sitting on wave 37 with it in insanity mode, and quite proud of that.

Read the forums - Did you even bother to read my first sentence?

Any class should be able to have multiple people play multiple styles, in any game that has classes, so I feel proud that you are able to state a "single" play-style, that would suit you, glad to hear it. Not everybody likes playing one "specific" style. It's called variety, look it up in the dictionary....

I do find this one however funny, since i have stated that if you play offensively you will get killed.

Now since you took soo much of your time replying to one issue that i had, can you please give a constructive answer to the "other" aspects that I had in that post you seem to have hardly read?

Read something properly so you know where that person is coming from then make an answer. Don't pull a specific issue out and continue to tell them how "their" not playing the game correctly.

As with any game, you should be playing for FUN, not a win, not to make money or points, or to strut your e-peen (God I hate that word), weather those thing go towards your enjoyment is up to you. So unless you have something constructive to say for or against, at least be civil please. All that post seems to do is scream, "I'm better than you, you don't know what your doing, and we're gonna laugh at you because your not playing the game how we want you to"

I got no problem with constructive criticism/or a debate, but pointless and silly insults are well..... pointless.

Here's a tip aswell, go and look up the word assassin, and see what they actually do, you might get an insightful surprise.

Care to enlighten us? Since most people seem to just say your not playing the game right???

While your at it, answer the other questions I had instead of just picking out 1 little piece of an entire post...

Lets try to be civil. I'd hate to have to lock this thread.

Alright the way I've understood people playing sin against me is they're just going for player kills. None of them ever really grind on robots and most can't do anything higher than a 1 to 1 ratio. Making the grapple "so long" is probably designed to force the sin to make a choice, which is what skill brings to play that class. Whereas most of the other classes psychically make you aim a crosshair, while moving, the sin is a little more forgiving on your controller to get your kills. So instead of just having a sin grab people from the back, working their way up, killing all 6 of the other team, you have to sneak around and pick your targets.
However, sins as of last night still don't pick their targets. Gunners/Support should always be your #1 target as they can change the tide the fastest.
The assault, which you mentioned, has the charge + grapple to clear space between him and whoeever he's fighting. Since it costs lvl3 to get, he too has to make a choice. My personal preference is Passive, blue, THEN red (charge) to 3. So you have quite the window on me to grapple me over and over, and over. If you feel like this skill is making it harder, stop picking assault. While I've complained many times on here facestabs should be reduced (the point should be a backstab...) assault does have the tools to at least avoid a sin's grapple.

Long story short: Grapple is long because it doesn't take skill to go in cloaked, press one button, and get a kill.

Assault charge is a lvl3 skill, and assaults don't even have the most HP of the group thus add them to your avoid list along with tanks - and pick your targets better. Facestabs are lame and serves you right more or less getting a 'cheap' kill from the front. Backstabs are 100%. Plus, if he survive he has to turn 360 just to charge you.


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Well said.

As a Custom Gunner, facestabs make me laugh because I know I'm looking at a dead Sin that's about to go on a short trip to a place called Ring Out.

Try listening to Ronin instead of getting insulted and whining, he's dead on for the most part. He's actually trying to help assassin players, and yes, most assassin players do need a little smack upside the head and to be told "you are doing it wrong."

Insisting you know how to play assassin and refusing to listen to others who have had success with assassin won't lead to better play, only willful ignorance (the very essence of noob, one who cannot or refuses to learn.) Instead just give his advice a try, worst cast is you do poorly in one game. Most likely you will learn some new tricks and improve your assassin game.

As he mentioned read the forums and check out the assassin thread too. They have some good tips in there.