New players pls: Joining the big clans is bad for you

just because players are officially in a clan...
1) does not mean they are active
2) does not mean they are seeking competitive games
3) does not mean they don't have other games they enjoy playing
4) does not mean they can't get bored of pa and move onto other games until the mood strikes them again
5) does not mean they want to play in tourneys

I have been part of 3 clans now, P then BL then RLM I was must active in BL during beta and gamma, then for the beginnings of RLM I was also pretty active, other things have come up here and there and I do not play pa as much any more (just like many other players I know of) I follow this game heavily and have tried out mods that made me enjoy the game play abit more I fully expect to come back again someday soon and attempt to claim my best Canadian and maybe best north american and top 10 again...

until then I will pop onto RLM ts or another ts to find some players to have a game and enjoy it, while RLM is most notable for having a large PA playerbase its rare to find enough people to fill a 4v4 or 5v5 lobby like you seem to want more of icy... now spread the player base out among many many small clans and you limit the ability for clans to spread info about events to members, access to subs and replacements aswell as the time, effort and luck it takes get good sized team games together within a big clan will only be multiplied by splitting players into smaller groups, I advise for now taking a team of people you want to play with into a teamspeak of another clan and asking some players if they want to have a team game vs you, you can also ask them how they feel about their clan and what its like being part of one hopefully alittle more interaction and experience will help temper some of these assumptions you and others have...

big clans aren't bad its just a way to find more people to have a nice game with kinda like the IRC was/is but with voice chat which is always nice the only downside with having big clans is of course the clan wars sometimes having battles with the best of the best vs each other and such but then again there could always be new ideas like say having a round robin 2v2 or 3v3 tourney then you get to play some games with other teams near your lvl and everyone gets to play and have fun just make an event or something if you want something go out and try to make it happen, complaining and arguing on the forums doesn't tend to do too much long term xD

LOL @ the idea that RLM is some big organization of PA nazis. Realm isn't anything like that whatsoever, most nights we just goof off and play versus randoms. There are tons of people in the clan who are casual players not following any set meta or organization. These days we have more casuals than pros as many have left to start their own clans. Realm is also totally self-organizing, no one tells anyone what to do because we're all just folks looking to have fun. This whole thread is just another Icy self-jerk. He must be getting salty from how many times we've destroyed his ersatz hipster 'no-meta' clan.

Also friendly reminder: don't trust Icy with your credit card details. If you join his clan you might lose a lot more than your dignity.

Custard and friends is The Realm, have a little more respect will you! Custard plays much less than 70% of the playerbase so how is he able to "Vacuum" players when he's not really on?

I can tell you now that most games I play I rarely even talk about the game we're in, voip stuff means nothing majority of the time because I joke around while talking and yet we still win a large amount of games. All you have to do is know how to play the game and force yourself to get better and faster which you cannot do if your brain cannot deviate from what you think "This is how I think you play" The amount of times I've had people tell me "Oh I didn't know you could do that" and "I would have never of thought of that" just shows that people need a nudge in the right direction and coaching pushes people to get better. 15% of the playerbase can play this game at above average level, so if you understand the game 85% people you stomp, is that fun? Nope, its very boring, I'd happily try and teach everyone so the game can be fun in a competitive way like it used to instead of having new people not knowing what to do.

So to wrap this up. "Confined to cheering them on from their benches" Again, most people who are apart of a clan aren't even on when clan wars starts, this will be the first time I can be on since I used to have a job which was week-end evenings so I could never partake in any tourneys. But if you want to stop this from happening then every clan should be limited to 10 members MAXIMUM!!!

I'm failing to see what this thread is trying to address; it just seems to be slander against one or two select clans. A personal grievance against a particular clan is hardly justification for sweeping derision of clans in general

My few encounters with clans generally has been very positive and constructive. They all seem to be very accommodating, friendly and generally show good sportsmanship, RLM, BRN, =VoW= and (P) being by far my greatest exposure

Most don't even ask about your membership, just if you would like to play a game.

LOL you talk about "clans" as if they are a very different thing from your "community". We have a couple of new players joining every month. Half of them have never played RTS, half of them are good at StarCraft. Some of them learn the game with us, some of them leave us. Most have a nice time though. We are seldom competitive during regular nights, and if we are even remotely representative of how the other clans behave, clans are a great place to "test the water".

Simply what Marshall means is; As a community we like many other clans play a numerous amount of games, unlike a lot of clans we will gather members within the community from other games and they will bench out to play with other members of the community. People will come in from Dota 2 from playing with members and find themselves playing the odd game of PA. So instead of starting out in a clan in PA and playing other games it's the other way around in some cases. A lot of clans started in PA, The Realm did not, The Realm established itself as a gaming community rather than a clan.

Stop and pause for a while. Try to absorb............ What Icycalm is trying to say.
Put aside your astronomical egos for just a moment please And quite a few of you Have them!!
If we as a community Hold onto this though...... More clans ...More people get to play in the comps.
Then more people will get a sense of pride and gaming selfworth from participation......
Then this Game might very well thrive ...................................most people will be able to look past tanks being OP if
they are involved in more clan comps.......................................................................................................................
I would propose Uber Nerf Clans/Guilds to have no more than say six people.............. WOW dont freak out........
Think about it....... We break apart say RLM into 20 little guilds/clans............ Wow did I just say that...........
How massive and awsome would the clan wars be, They may even make the TV news.

Another feature I Humbly suggest is that when you log on for the first time with a new account for new players Uber automaticaly places you in a Guild of Ubers choosing which would be dependant upon clan/ Guild numbers.
You would only need serve in that clan for a time of say .. three to six months then you would be able to choose another guild/clan.
If there were a spot open. It may even promote a trade / barter system. example : hey swap guilds with me... other guy: give me one of your commander skins..... or five steam cards ......Kablamo! trade done..........
every one freaking Happy!!!!
Uber could even make Win/loss ratios tradeable example: Hey swap guilds with me... other guy: Give me your Commander skin and Five of your wins for two of my losses ........ Kablamo! trade done.......
A Macro community With Micro trades....... Pure F ...in genius.

If I might expand On Icycalms Idea It could all be controlled by a central clan Or perhaps a person.
Seeing How I am Now clearly the Most popular person on the internet I would not have a problem
developing this Idea further If Uber wishes to contact Myself for help I would not be opposed to Helping.

Any one wishing to contact me directly...... email at TheOnlyOpinionThatMattersIsMine@Hotmail.com


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Nosebreaker, you've sparked my imagination. How about clans start selling their best players? RLM will buy Elodea for £1000

Just taking a break, I'll be back!

This is a pretty horrible thread with a lot of vitriol aimed at RLM. Banhammer and lock?

Mayhemster RlM is A fine Clan A powerfull Clan
Not quite the calibre OF The MIghty Team Burning!!! {Just for you didlix}
There is a little vidio!!! some were of some guys,,,,, TB guys,,,,,Playing some instant clasic Pa Match,,,,,,, in clan wars on the best designed home system in the history of home systems!!!!!!! With some Rlm guys having somthing done to them hmmm.... indeed!!!!! Cant still be sore about that I hope!!!!
Link any one please Ive misplaced it........
Its not a horrible thread Its very informative
Icycalm puts forward some dam fine points out there ....if you think on them a little.
Just see past the Narcissism
The guys is almost a genius like me. He is just a little flawed, check out his website.... very freaking deep...

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@clopse
i would like to renegotiate my contract.

I think the discussion about creating more clans and more competitive teams is quite valid, even if it's surrounded by rubbish in some places. Would understand a lock due to the 'personal' attacks on clans though.

Erm... No, let's not.

Clans need to be bigger than 5-6 people because people have different schedules. Even amateur sports teams in meatspace have way more members than they need because not everyone is available every time. And that's only thinking about competitive fixtures.

Lot's of people join clans simply to have a regular pool of people to play with who will likely also have voice chat. I know it was my main reason for signing up, not that I wouldn't like to play competitively from time to time. Even with 20-30 members it's still easy to hop on the TS to find no-one is online.

</end troll feeding>

@icycalm is right about one thing and one thing only, a larger number of reasonably evenly skilled clans is better for the game. However given that the current clan wars tables show that no-one has won all their matches and there's a 3 point spread from places 1-5 I'd say the competitive clans are mostly fairly even. Realm's massive membership numbers also don't give them the huge advantage being suggested here.

Regarding clan sizes in general, if competitive players feel they aren't getting a look in when it comes to matches then they'll split off and form new clans to make sure they do. It's not something that can or should be forced. New players looking for training and people just looking for games for fun can largely be ignored from the clan size except for being potential competitive players.

If you want more members for your clan then you need to rethink your recruiting. RLM is the biggest clan because they started with a couple of good players, they're active on the forums and featured heavily in Marshall and ZaphodX's twitch/youtube output. Anyone looking up PA would see them so people joined.

Cult became briefly infamous after their first competitive showing, followed up with a thread complaining that the choice of strategy that cost you the game should have been more effective. That same vitriol has once again resurfaced in this and the clan management tools thread. I also once asked you after a game about playing a few matches alongside you guys just to see how you worked, every other clan I've spoken to has said "sure hop on our TS and give it a go", you told me to sign up and join the clan and come back once that was sorted for a game. It's not wrong, but it's a bit of a heavy handed approach and one that wins you less new members.

Sorry. There is a £1001 buy out clause on your 47 page contract, have you not read it yet?

lapsedpacifist ................................................................................................ Really!
are clans that.................................................................................................. fragile?

I don't really want to get involved in the silliness of this thread, but I do want to say that while this is true, more clans would mean more teams. As someone that enjoys watching Clan Wars I think this would be more fun.

Hmmmmmmmmmm Im Thinking

stay on topic guys ... we are discussing
"many small clans vs few big clans" here