9/10 review - Brutalgamer

This. And honestly, I would rather an 8/10, but seeing as the negative raters like IGN dork it up, I will say this is justice.

@icycalm This appears to be your logic:
Let's find all things which I define as art (In my case, this is things that have some form of illusion)
Now, what do all these things have in common? Oh, they are all a form of illusion. Therefore art is illusion.

@icycalm I did give a definition for art, the dictionary and correct definition.

art1
ärt/
noun

1. 1.
   the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
   "the art of the Renaissance"
   synonyms:fine art, artwork
   "he studied art."
   

Your definition is just your own, not at all the widely accepted definition, nor dictionary dedefinition. A car can be art because it shows human creativity, and can capture someone emotionally. That is what art is, a rock has nothing to do with human creativity. However if someone makes some sort of piece with it, even two rocks with one slanted... Boom, that's creative, and might even be emotional to someone.

SO YEAH ABOUT THAT GAME REVIEW

G-game review, what game review? I thought we were talking about art here?! /s

God. Damned. THIS.

Also, this. Art is not a physical thing. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It has no final form. Art is a concept, judged based on those who look at it, and not based on what the object you're looking at is. That's the definition of art, and has been for longer than all of us on this forum have been alive combined. Anything people create can be called art, and while it may not be art to one, that alone does not mean it isn't art to anyone else.


I think the review in OP's post is only looking at the good and not looking at the bad. Overall, I think all of the good points the review hit was a fair 8/10 or 9/10 depending on what specific good points you're talking about. (Subjectivity and all that.) That aside, anyone can make another review that only lists bad things about PA, rate the game at 2/10 or 3/10 and it would be a legit score too based on what they reviewed, not the game as a whole. Both of these are unfair reviews in my opinion, as they don't level their review with the entirety of the game, just a slanted view of it.

To me, PA's definitely not a 2/10, nor is it 9/10, but because it's unfinished, I don't feel it's fair to even score the game. The fact that they felt obligated to release the game early because of reasons means your PA's review score mileage will vary. It's probably somewhere around 6 to 6.5/10 based on it's unfortunate unfinished release among many other issues.

I think PA's overall score if it were released with all the missing elements, asteroids, unit cannon, playable 40p games, a generalized balance that's a bit better than now, etc, it'd likely be around 8.5 to 9/10. The fact that Uber got so far in so little time with so much done demands at least a 7 to 8/10 even though that's weighed down by the state of release. Uber isn't perfect by any means, but they're doing their damnedest behind the scenes, you can bet on that.

Exactly. And in 20 years my name will be listed right next to it, on Wikipedia and on the dictionaries you now quote, and there will be a little asterisk next to that, with a link to the book I linked above.

Meanwhile there will still remain plenty of people around like Bgrmystr2 saying absurd things like "art is not a physical thing", just as there are still people today who think we are on earth because someone ate an apple at some point.

Evolution does not work on an entire species. It works on individuals, and out of those individuals arises the new species, while the old species stays behind.

I've heard it said that trolling is a art.

I appreciate the effort but that was such an ironic metaphor. One of the latest ferraris can only be purchased by owning a vintage ferrari already and a couple other ferraris.

So, squishy relegates his thinking to dictionaries, crdkf to price tags, and you to marketing tricks. Great.

Oh, and eukanuba likes to accuse thinkers of trolling. Double whammy.

you do realise what a fallacy that whole paragraph is.

Use an engineer and you do not obtain a ferrari.

there are countless more people on deck for their creation, but I think the ones you should be referring to, the one who give the kiss of art to the car are... well the artists. there are real, famed artists who do other thing than drawing/designing cars who drew ferrari's curves; ...people such as Sergio Pininfarina.

aaaaallright icy, enough crazy pills today, don't you think ?

Not necessarily crazy, but suuuuper self entitled.

I know, I've delt with this through PM, I just didn't answer it because there's really nothing you can say to make it stop is there?

It will take you 20 years to get your name on Wikipedia? Your lack of understanding of how wikis work is quite refreshing. And evolution most assuredly does not work the way you describe it, I am afraid. I recommend taking a deep breath and accepting the fact that you are not alone in this world.

There aren't many people trying to define what 'art' means with any rigorousness whatsoever. It's so bad that there's a lot of people who think it cannot be defined, failing to aknowledge what 'proposing a definition' means and what kind of work you have to do in order to propose one.

A definition isn't something that is written in stone, at least not until someone proposes one with the most usefulness (in order to communicate the concept), consistency and universal applications (or in as many contexts) as possible. So when it comes to vaguely defined words like 'art', dictionaries are pretty useless.

Icycalm is one of the few that is proposing a definition with this kind of consistency, rigorousness and usefulness.

If you want another good, although less universal definition than Icycalm's (and it has to be said that I arrived at this link thanks to Icycalm some years ago), check this out:

The whole thing in: artrenewal.org/pages/faq.php

art = the ability to create ... something ...

Was the thread necromancy really necessary?

Seriously. Not an art thread. One more post about art I'm locking it. Take it to 'Unrelated Discussion', please, if you must.

Well they need to. Tell them about it.

It sucks, that things either get big by magic, or that people constantly blame them for being flawed somehow.

Like FNAF was better designed. It just got played by Markiplier, bam magic, 3 million units sold.