Calm down!!!

Lol and it would put other people off again because they would say are we backing Human resources or PA
Not to mention that if they would use the money on PA, what's going to pay for HR then?

Two seperate projects. Seriously, what does that mean to people?

it's not. it's just not.

too many elements. Same company, same publisher(yes uber), same engine, same game type, same team, PA in the backer tiers for HR.

Don't veil yourself from the truth.

there is no "great wall" between "PA's money, time and resources" and "HR's money, time and resources".

Agreed- though that works both ways The very *fact* that the 2 games share a common platform is an extremely *good thing*. If they've got to keep working on the underlying platform to add stuff for HR, they might as well add it into PA. The 2 projects will support each other.

I think this has been the plan from the get go, I remember @neutrino talking about "PA as a platform" from early on. This is simply the second project based on the foundations created for PA. As the 2 games are targeting different areas of RTS there is no incentive for Uber to stop working on either- they 2 games will simply address a wider section of the RTS market together than either would on their own.

It's a shame so many people look at something that should protect the future of PA, and draw the opposite conclusion...

The primary reason to calm down is that it is pretty unlikely HR is going to get funded when the majority of press and opinion about uber/pa is currently pretty bad. It'll be interesting to see if Uber can survive the failed kickstarter and if they will be able to take it as a sign they need to revise their approach. I will be super surprised if this reaches even half of its goal.

Oh I can most definitely relate. Someone else's turn to be naive though... my bum is sore, I'm off on a break.

I can agree with everything you said but this.

there is incentive. I'm not going to say that the incentive will be enough to sway Uber.... but it'd be a blatant lie of naiveté to say "there is no incentive". The incentive is there :

bigger promises of revenue. Easier to make and succeed at game (every issue PA currently has can be traced back to technical issues and complexity due to PA's ambition), starting from near scratch vs "1.0" game, moves the first higher on the priority board, change of pace with different tech challenges, "clean slate" more motivating to work on.

the list goes on....

so recap, maybe uber will be solid like a rock and hold true, saying "there is no incentive" is a lie.

It's doing pretty well so far (already over 100K in just over 1 day)

My point on 'no incentive' is more looking at it from a business point of view. Uber as a company needs to make money. Multiple sources of revenue are a must if you want to sustain a business long term.

Where I would view it as an incentive to deliberately stop 1 game in favour of another is when 1 game is a direct sequel / competitor to the other.

In the case of PA / HR the 2 games are not related from a game play point of view (despite sharing common underlying technology) so in that sense if someone buys PA, that doesn't negate them buying HR or vice versa. On that basis surely it makes more sense to support an maintain both lines of IP instead of just one? Why make one sale instead of 2? That's why I say no incentive- provided PA sells it isn't going to harm the new IP so why kill it off?

see that's a common misinterpretation where people think that in the business world the same rules apply as in math.

two sources of revenue must be better than one! ....right???? ....well no. Not always as it turns out.

sometimes revenue for a product works exponentially the more effort you put into it.

And with that rule in mind math becomes applicable again and one source of revenue can be better than two.

There are reasons to drop one product in favour of another- mainly relating to resources vs reward. *If* PA was hardly selling and only just covering it's costs, and *IF* HR was hugely more popular then your argument makes sense. I'm not sure that is the case though.

All PA needs to do is keep selling at a moderate level to justify its existence- as I said before it address a sufficiently different part of the market to not be a direct competitor to the new game imo, so there is potential to sell more overall by maintaining both. Any company that is reliant on *one revenue stream* is extremely vulnerable. Once you have a larger portfolio then you can start to get choosy with what you do and do not maintain.

I have no tolerance for these phrases being used in conjunction with PA.

I cannot content myself with seeing PA left with "breadcrumbs", that doesn't respect the tradition of 'over-the-top-ness' of the family PA is from.

PA shall take priority (yes If I had powers I'd use them to make PA sell more than HR, but unfortunately I'm a mere human). Period. I can't see it as deserving any less.

Well see. I agree that is a lot in one day, but it seems very unlikely. The last success was driven by reddit going bonkers over the pitch. Reddit isn't likely to do this again considering the current state of affairs.

You're basically asking Uber to go on an economic suicide mission. They are mere humans, they can't just finance themselves with thin air.

you're basically saying PA finances are thin air.

If they are nothing could change it. If they are not it's nice of Uber not to take them to make another game, but to ask via KS for money instead.

where's the "finish the game in progress option"? honey! I told you to get the "finish the game in progress option"! did you look under the couch sofa? in the key dish?

You just have to realize that they do not need a team of 3D artists and game designers to work on PA anymore. They need mostly programmers for that.

They literally said the exact same thing almost word for word when they launched the PA KS while still running SMNC.

And did playfab also undercut pa development? And toy rush?

you say its all a veil, I say your truths are made up speculation, which leaves us arguing the moon landing was a hoax argument.

Your evidence is SMNC stuff and other negative worry, mine is logically that they are better to assign a kickstarter to a new project to occupy their currently unused staff, than to funnel money from PA which would also catch negative PR

The evidence is MNC, then SMNC, and now PA. They over promised and under delivered on every title.

Here's one quote of many from what they said about SMNC when PA KS launched:

"August-15-2012
We are not abandoning Super MNC. PA is very much Neutrino's game. I'm only going to be working in an advisory capacity. Why? Because I'm going to continue to work on Super MNC along with other Uberites like Ekanaut, etc, etc. Plus there's a lot of ramp-up time to getting the project funded, then initial tech work, and then building out the team.

Don't worry, this isn't the end of Super MNC. It's just the start of another exciting game!
-Scathis"

Sound familiar? Logically it makes zero sense to back any Uber project prior to completion. If only so you can actually know what the final product is versus their spun up hype train that never arrives at the station.

I played MNC a while many years ago and it was fun to me, did look like quite a finished game to me for the most part. SMNC I never played, but it was free to play and a pretty different thing compared to PA. How finished was SMNC when PA started? Did SMNC generate revenue at that time? Was it in the red? Etc. Lots of factors involved here.