The Latest American Gun Thing

Good luck getting the police to take liability when you can't testify due to death.

I am serious, this is no joke. Police departments are very good at ducking liabilities. Arguing for the police in this argument is stupid.

You're stuck in anarchy. I don't need help anyway.

That's like saying murders can't get convicted because none of their victims can testify. Please, you can do better than that.

Do you reminder that one guy that wrestled a guy stabbing him while the police watched? This stuff genuinely makes me angry. Of course, the popo got off the hook.

Listen. Not everyone has the bloody luxury of living in a state that has a low crime rate and I want to ram this idea through your head until you get it. The cops already get off the hook enough as it is. Sure, you can trade your rights for the police when you live in a high-class neighborhood. My friends live in places where the police take up to 10-20 minutes to respond. Defending this nonsense is pure LUNACY.

Would shooting the stabber have helped? Either by the police or the person being stabbed?

You're in close quarters and being wrestled down. Your ability to get a gun is severely hampered and your ability to properly aim it even moreso. If the stabber wrestling you is stronger, there's also an increased likelyhood of him getting the weapon instead.

From what I can tell, every option the police have in a situation like that is just as bad.

If they move to restrain the stabber they will likely also be stabbed and the risk of injured parties increases.
If they attempt to shoot the stabber they risk hitting the stabbee.

How does anybody having guns help in situations like that? Police or civilian?

Now let me get this straight. A person who doesn't think the police should be responsible for your well being is angry at police for not being responsible for your well being.

And before you say that you're arguing against the gun rights we have being taken away, look at the bolded statement.


For the record, I am all for gun ownership. I'm just against the stupid arguments that come from both sides.

And you seriously think giving everyone a weapon to kill will help the situation? More guns won't help with anything.
It sucks if you live in a warzone and temporarily you may need to help yourself, but you can't possibly think that is a desirable situation. On the long run the question is how to improve the police work, not how to make everyone able to kill everyone.

I can kill a family with my fists if I stretch it. It's a matter of intent, not what weapon you're holding.