The Latest American Gun Thing

In Arizona a 9 year-old was given an Uzi to fire. The recoil made the gun throw back over her shoulder, resulting in the instructor being shot and killed.

This isn't about gun laws. I give up, do whatever you want with that.

But this is ridiculous, no 9 year-old should be firing an automatic weapon. Pistol? Fine, I can deal with that, shotgun or rifle? Alright, if there's safety precautions in place. But giving any young child an automatic weapon, especially compact ones, is just astoundingly insane.

POTENTIALLY UNSETTLING FOOTAGE

It's a simple matter of someone giving a young kid too much gun. A very unfortunate instance of poor judgement.

This has nothing to do with America. Nothing to do with gun laws. Simple poor judgement.

It's the equivalent of putting a 9 year old behind the wheel of a high end sports car and telling the child to floor it.

What this speaks to is that more people need to actually be properly trained in firearms.

That instructor apparently didn't even think about what was safe for him and the kid. Now someone's dead because of it.

People need to stop being stupid with firearms. When handled properly they can be fun to use and save lives. When used improperly they can result in injury or death(which is the same thing for a lot of different stuff).

Don't ban guns, ban the people that use them.

Or, as a compromise, make sure there's proper training (and regulate that proper training with government legislation and make it legally enforceable) for those who might do stupid stuff with them (read:everyone).

Not to be a douche, but the video really framed out at the end. I can only assume on purpose, but geez man.

It is sad that it happens. It is unavoidable to keep guns in existance though. Fact is, someone is going to have the latest automatic weaponry, and it will always be SOME criminals because someone can be paid to access them.

So, it should definitely be the people who can be harmed by the criminals using them.

Any instance of this happening is stupidity, you should keep weapons like this away from children. Teaching them how to use a bb gun at that age is sufficient. Pellet gun at age 12, not using any dangerous type pellets unless situationally necesary like hunting. A firearm as a full grown adult, and even then start with strong kicking weapons before fully automatic, and even burst-fire before fully automatic. And even then tell them to burst fire it even when automatic.

It looked like the best advice was given possible for that kid, but it's impossible to prevent someone that young from being mindful of the gun kicking the trigger stuck against their finger sideways.

Sadly, as a cop, I would still give the instructor even in his grave, a ticket for child endangerment. That should be an automatic to anyone giving someone with an underdeveloped physique an automatic weapon. The weapon's manual specifies the amount of force one needs to handle, and I am certain the weapon by it's manual cannot be held responsible.

Lastly, if you want to ban potentially harmful things, ban woodchippers, pellet guns, axes, pocket knifes, cars and other vehicles, power tools... Then criminals would still be using those anyway though.

Just remember, gun ownership rights isn't just being defended by some 'muricans...

It's being idolised.

It's so obvious that this girl has barely, if any experience with firearms and this hero is letting her go full-retard with just one hasty shot down range before the fact.

The hell do you people need guns for anyway >.>

A gun is a weapon, it's specifically designed to kill. Screwdrivers and woodchippers? Tools, designed to complete a task.

Freedom. Apparently. In case the government decides to transform into a totalitarian dictatorship.
Americans don't seem to trust their police force with their safety, so they feel a need to protect themselves

Except the white trash americans owning and glorifying guns aren't really the ones at risk from the police, it's the poorer minorities. And then those aforementioned gun-idolising nuts JOIN the police and shoot kids.

That seems like a gross overgeneralization.

I've just failed to see ANY proof that these people NEED guns.

Those things have other uses though other than harming people. Cars are needed to drive people around, axes and pocket knives are needed by people doing more outdoorsy work. Hunters and police in more dangerous situations are the ones who have some reason to justify a firearm; but people living in suburbs, in heavily populated towns and cities, have NO need for automatic rifles and shotguns and handguns.

Criminals are going to have them anyway? Oh yeah, that's why Europe is just FULL of gun-toting crime, despite guns mostly being illegal here. Yeah, right. You make guns that much easier to purchase, they're that much easier to steal and that much easier for gangs / organised crime to acquire.

"waah, give me the freedom to be the sexuality I want"
"waah people are repressing my sexuality"
"waah, your kind of freedom is too dangerous for me"

Listen here buddy, I will not be victimized by people that want to hurt me. I will not let people that don't know how guns work lecture me on why I should not own a gun. Your argument blatantly stereotypes the citizenry, the people that can justify why they need to own something (which is full of bull, as a line of thinking), and a construct known as the state.

You need to think outside the box for a moment. You don't need a justification for being gay, just like you don't need a justification for being ARMED. Statistics CLEARLY show a correlation between firearm ownership and the decrease in crime. Don't believe me?



And before you bloody tell me to get a knife:


There are also statistics for victim injury for method of defense, which I don't have. Knives have a high injury rate.

Firearm ownership prevents THOUSANDS of rapes, assaults, and murders. If you want to save lives, let people exercise the freedom to be armed. Trying to eat my rights over singular incidences is liberal logic at its finest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police

Really? You want me to wait 10 minutes while I get mugged?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism

So you're implying we shouldn't own fire extinguishers because we have firefighters? What's the matter with you? We as humanity bestowed upon our people more rights upon the citizenry as we exited the dark ages, and now we're doing a turnaround? Urban society's such a big cushy bubble, letting soccers moms have all their necessities fulfilled as they blabber about what's deadly and what's not.

You want to kill someone?

If anyone disregards me or my family's RIGHT to life, they will also have disregarded theirs. FYI, police respond to situations by force escalation. When the first thing you do in an attack to yourself is call the police, you're simply shifting responsibilities around.

Gun-grabbers are the kind of people that would surrender everything to an attacker. It is wrong and disrespectful to people that do value keeping their lives.

So do you just like assume that countries with gun protection laws are just like, crime ridden wastelands?
Because the UK has no guns, and we have nowhere near the same levels of crime that the US has. I've never been to a city in my home country where I don't feel safe walking around the centre at night. Hell, I've never been to a city in the whole of Europe where I don't feel that (I could extent it further but I've travelled to some pretty sketchy places in the world). Hell, the police here don't even openly carry guns, save around airports, the Parlaiment, and Northern Ireland (because IRA)
There's a kid from Chicago doing a masters degree at our University who's still from a fairly well off suburban background, but mentions the fact she's been shot at in her own city like it was nothing. That -shouldn't- happen.

Guns force escalation just as much.
The people most at risk of crime aren't going to be able to just nonchalantly kill someone. They're going to be in fear in this situation. What happens when they lock up, they -can't- pull the trigger? What happens when the aggressor disarms them - now they have a firearm, and they have one after the crime goes down, and a dangerous man now has easy means to kill

Again, personal responsibility. A person has to learn to drive a car before safely driving one. Firearms are the same story, just like with all weapons. They are simple equalizers for victimization.

Gangbangers and shooters are able to prevail because they fight in GUN-FREE zones, which are ripe for victimization because victims cannot get help nor help themselves. Switzerland isn't killing themselves. The town in Georgia that encourages firearm ownership isn't, either. Statistics prove that crime goes DOWN when people are armed.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/fbi-more-guns-less-violent-crime/
http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

Every American mass shooting with the exception of one or two in the past 50 years have occurred in a gun-free zone.

Gun control is a reactionary measure that goes against statistical evidence. Just look at Australia.

Even England has fully automatic weapons in the hand of criminals, and special crime enforcement agencies to deal with them. Then, you have people who will use a hand weapon and be a brute a little better than a scrawny home owner. Be it a personal choice to have a gun to protect your home, removing that leaves the government responsible for big billy commiting a home invasion with a tack hammer just crushing the skulls of the innocent.

I agree with guns being a personal option, but leaving ANYTHING DANGEROUS to young children is already a crime, child endangerment.

Nobody thinks guns should be legal, until one day they need one and nobody has one. I watched a big guy carjack someone in real life, beat them half to death on the hood of their car, went to stab them as they rolled over to the driver side door, and as they grabbed them off the ground, they pulled out a handgun from their door compartment and shot him.

The sad thing is, with modern hospitals, they can fix gunshots better than ever from cause of personal defense, so people live and you are supposed to shoot for the center not the top, so at least that is a thing.