Map Mass Deposits

searched briefly, no hit, sorry if there was already a thread but apparently who the f cares : D so here we go :

So Uber said wreaks will get a pass in due time.

In the meantime there's still a wreak in-game : the unit cannon wreak. : D : D : D betcha that's worth a lot of metal. What say you we go Homeworld Shipbreakers on it?

anyways there could be plenty more of these but the point is.

You make a map that has one of these on it... strategy occurs! people gotta make a choice! sometimes it's not worth it, you can save as much mass not minding it at all. Sometimes it forces you to go toe to toe with your opponent much earlier then you'd wish And it spices up the game as a result.

So given wreaks will likely be re-added at some point (likely! not surely) who thinks Map Mass Deposits is a good idea?

Guess what trees are?

With the increase in metal worth in the redacted PE stream, they actually fulfilled that specific role. (Except that trees really shouldn't yield metal...)

Shhhh! the trees are watching us!

you don't wanna upset them.

I wanna reclaim trees, rocks, big rocks, giant rocks, fill chasms with metal, blow up mountains to move my army through instead of around, and most of all I want an ongoing battle to turn a lush tropical paradise planet into a scorched hellhole made of barren rock, metal, craters and ash, and robots, and explosions

I think Steve even said something about this in the likes of " first we create this beautiful world, and then we let you destroy it "

We can reclaim trees; they're worth at least ten metal... Might be more now.

Nope, the unit cannon is apparently just a measly 2500 metal.

"description":"Unit Cannon: Long range unit dispersal","max_health":1000,"build_metal_cost":2500,

The unit cannon wrecks in game cannot be reclaimed. I've tried.

That being said, trees already accomplish this. And rocks should too.

I like the idea of introducing wrecked bases into the planet spawn (this has been discussed before, so if you don't care about starting a new thread, don't give other people a hard time). However, introducing such a mechanic would be complicated from a balance standpoint. Just like metal distribution, these new wreckage fields would need to be balanced so people don't have advantages based on spawns.

So it's a good idea, but it can't be quickly tossed into the game.

So... Wrecked bases placed pre-game?

Already discussed and desired by the community. Uber also spoke some time ago about Metal Planets potentially having neutral/hostile buildings and defences on them which players could reactivate or annihilate.
Of course such features would necessitate mechanics like the "Capture" Function...

I take it that this is what are you suggesting here mate?

I think filling in planetary cracks with metal would be great. Nuking a mountain would be cool too.

Making reclaimable mass deposits would be as easy as adding 'trees' that don't burn, no?

Well isn't this the point of choosing your spawn point.

Yes it is. But if I have a spawn point with a lot of base wreckage, and you don't have a single base wreck, then I have a clear advantage.

Just like metal spots need to be evenly distributed, base wrecks would need to be distributed evenly.

Well that's kinda like poker.

Sometimes you get a bad hand, not that a single game should be what determines a win, just like in poker.

I don't think "sometimes you get a bad hand" should be a thing in a strategy game.

Game shouldn't be determined by luck of the spawn. That's why most RTS games have pre-built maps with fixed spawns – for balance. I like PA's procedurally generated maps, but they should still strive to be as balanced as possible.

Losing because you get a bad spawn isn't any fun for anyone.

The problem I can see there is that a game is determined not by strategy, but by starting positions.

And the balance of the starting positions can only go so far without destroying the point of having randomly generated maps.

Base wreckage should not be anywhere near spawns, simple as that.

I think wreckage should do a lot of interesting things ingame.

If they ever did, and map editing and stuff, it would be nice to make a "convincing cookie cutter base wreckage" as a map feature, maybe each player lands in an identical one, or maybe one lies equal distances from both player spawns.

Wow, can't believe you called it mass, it's metal. Get good scrub.

/I swear this was a joke/

yeah i clearly is. If unitcannons are made to be reclaimable for a butt-ton of metal, you should have the spawn points (at least in the case of a 1 v 1!) all be equidistant from it.

Also brian I'm sorry about the other thread. I cared before now I no longer do as I've been told not to care and as I say in the O.P. :

hopefully you forgive me, have a good one!

We're good.