Main menu elements order (OK, now Galactic War talk)

So playing PA one of the things the drives me up the wall the most is how I always click "singleplayer", ever since the name (and the order) got changed I'm having an enormous amount of trouble with this. especially since I'm intimately convinced in this day and age it's literally a moral obligation for multiplayer not to have a second row seat.


and first I though: "well I'll just have to suck it up, and try to get used to it" and then I thought, wait a minute. what if Uber's word on this weighs less than the community's

why not see what the community has to say.

In anycase a mod on this would be most welcome as it's just about driving me nuts, oh and also while you're at it make the failed connection fall back to the lobby list not main menu.

thanks in advance for any help and input

EDIT : to be taken to where the GW talk starts : https://forums.uberent.com/threads/...tic-war-ideas-thread.63001/page-2#post-979672

......Get used to it?

hmm... I'm sure I saw that answer somewhere and the thread still only had 0 replies..... hmmm

you haven't finished reading. I suggest doing so

it's crazy how this is word for word too, A for originality.

Ah god, I knew it! I knew it! I do the same thing, I KNEW multiplayer used to be at the top! I just get on and rapidly click it then I'm like "Aaaahhhh!"

yeah, it was, it's not too long ago too that it was removed from stable.

That's because I copyed your answer, mainly because I read the topic first before relying.

Mhhhhhhhh I'm suuuuuper dubious but whatever, I'll give it to you.

point is I already answered myself on that, I still want the input of the community and by input I mean not something I've already said, otherwise we can just call the entire PA forum a day because @tatsu has already said it all : anything and everything about everything that could have ever been thought up, and any other user's input is just parroting.

You asked, I answered.

I am sorry that my opinion on the main menu is wrong.

I'm afraid that the numbers don't seem to support that. Take a look at the telemetry achievements (achievements whose primary or secondary purpose is to provide information back to the developer about how the game is played) for multi-player for strategy games on Steam:

Age of Empires II HD

• Win an online match: 34.3%
• Win 50 online matches: 1.8%

Frozen Synapse

• Lose an online match: 11.5%

XCOM: Enemy Unknown

• Win a multi-player match 8.9%

Supreme Commander 2

• Win an online match: 31.6%
• Win a ranked online match: 3.5%
• Win 25 ranked online matches: 0.5%

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The majority never play a single multi-player match against other humans and, even of those that do, nearly all of them drop it rather quickly.

lol. ok sorry, keep at it, I didn't mean to be a brute.

say whatever. Henceforth any input even what you said is legitimate on this matter.

ouch :// that's not how stats work

I'm going to say this first so I don't cause a racket : I'm conscious singleplayers out there may be the majority.

But I have to correct you on these stats otherwise someone may use them as the basis for an argument.

the "Out-of" part is missing.

loses on an online match does not constitute the number representing online play.

that's the most incomplete and inconclusive set of data I've ever seen even thought the point you're driving is true.

I agree they're not precise numbers but they're reasonably representative and, unfortunately, are pretty much the only hard information that is publicly available. I'd be surprised if the real numbers were different by more than a few percentage points.

no, they're not ....

you really have to disillusion yourself on this specific point. the stats you quoted are downright terrible on a scale of representativeness.

hold on I'm trying to put together better stats to drive your point.

ah whatever. : D

here are some stuff instead :
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...iplayerfication-of-single-player-is-complete/
http://ourcadegames.com/2014/02/20/fun-with-numbers-fps-single-player-vs-multiplayer/
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/01/look-single-player-people-are-just-better/#more-68132
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/23/the-trouble-with-other-people/
http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/28/t...mes-make-the-single-player-campaign-obsolete/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_V#Sales
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Legends

as you can see : my Schwartz is as big as yours! : D a.k.a. "I'm just as bad as you when it comes to scientifically proving a point"

some stats that are noteworthy however :

• 7 000 million people live on earth.
• if you take the americas (942), oceania (32), northern asia (143) and europe (740), E.G. : all the places that are likely to have the money and lifestyle for games to even be a thing they know about, you get 1 857 million people with the potential to buy a game (I'm henceforth in the realm of rough estimate since some people in poor countries are rich and some people in rich countries are poor but hey : the average of that has already been done in the determination of poor countries vs rich)
• out of those 1 200 million of them are gamers (of one sort or another), essentially all of the "number of people susceptible to play a game" that I marked out above : ) yay
  
• now take into account that out of those people 27 million of them play LoL a day
• 100 million of them have played wow
• 11.2 million play GTA V (it's noteworthy because a big aspect of the game is it's multilayer, how played the multiplayer is is unknown to me) GTA V is the most sold game of all time.
  
• minecraft at 52 million (dunno how it comes second then)
• the above are prominently multiplayer games

here's another link that drives your point a bit more : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

if you sort by numbers and take a look down the list, you'll see singleplayer games combined have a pretty big schwartz (but then again a lot of multiplayer games are free).

but a point one could argue is that what matters is today, what is the situation today and how many people are currently playing multiplayer games, how many are currently playing singleplayer games, which one is gaming as a whole rather heading toward? (because more than likely the difference between the two isn't staying perfectly still).

disclaimer : all of this is not "reasonably representative" in the least. but if we had more stats we could build something off of it.

The majority of people in RTS games play single player.

Single player should be on top.

see, now that's a tough statement to make, and
we've been over this before.

the whole thread from that point on is worth the read.

(wow I hit 6000 posts and didn't even notice! time for another party )

It's actually not a tough statement to make.

It's what Jon Mavor has said to me personally on the phone. The majority of people who play PA play against the AI.

According to Jon Mavor, the majority of people who played TA, SupCom 1, and PA play against the AI.

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Kind of off topic, but seriously... wow...

Worst achievement EVER!

it iiiiis a tough statement to make since we do not know what those stats look like, they have not been published and it isn't taking into account FAF, and Spring which both really added their own stats to the bowl. (not to mention, the least forgettable of all starcraft, and hey while we're at it why not throw the rest in too. Warcraft II, and all the C&Cs, ect..)

Definitely, have you seen the replay list, like 80% of games are AI games... (Arbitrary number)