BREAKING NEWS: COLD WAR TWO. Wait what?

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  1. kazzymodus

    kazzymodus Active Member

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    If we get another Cold War, I highly doubt it'll be Cold.
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  2. Geers

    Geers Post Master General

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    That doesn't make sense.

    "If I get a wooden stick, I doubt it will be wooden".
  3. kvalheim

    kvalheim Post Master General

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    Cold War 2: Revengeance
  4. kazzymodus

    kazzymodus Active Member

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    I am not known for making sense.
  5. Geers

    Geers Post Master General

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    Nah.

    Cold War 2: Gorbachev's Revenge.
  6. teju__

    teju__ Active Member

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    This is roughly what I recall seeing on the news earlier this year:

    The majority of German media seems to relate every incident in eastern Ukraine directly to Putin. They also warn of the propagandist Russian media, which showed (I obviously only saw the recording of it on the German news, so who knows) a large group of (supposedly) Crimean people randomly chanting "spasibo" (not sure if that's the correct transcript, but it's supposed to mean"thank you") during an interview with Putin. In the interview Putin (according to the German translator) recommended everyone to stay calm and beware of western propaganda. Meanwhile CNN showed a picture of a bearded man wearing a Russian military uniform and another one of him wearing camo clothing without any badges or flags, in order to prove that Russia sent troops to support and influence the Ukrainian separatists. They also passed on a statement from Obama, telling Europeans to stop watching Russian news broadcasts.

    I feel extremely well informed.
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  7. Neumeusis

    Neumeusis Active Member

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    That's what propaganda is for... Deliver more or less modified information so you join the right ranks.
    Every single gouvernment did, does and will do that in order to maintain itself.

    The news are never objective.
    Let's build undeground bunkers and live there happily just in case.
    This on or this one. Your pick.
  8. teju__

    teju__ Active Member

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    So basically you want to make people join the ranks of underground bunker owners? :p
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  9. Geers

    Geers Post Master General

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Motoring_Enthusiast_Party

    That's the right one, isn't it?
  10. Orome

    Orome Well-Known Member

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    I don't mind gay people, I am just disgusted of how selfish goverments are.
  11. igncom1

    igncom1 Post Master General

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    I play far too much civ to really be surprised or even upset by either side.

    Because frankly, in Russia's shoes, id nation state just like them.

    *shrugs* at least we can be certain that the people who downed that plane are currently being tortured by the KGB for making Russia look stupid.

    "Shoot those guys, not these guys!"
  12. Geers

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    KGB hasn't existed since 1991. It's FSB now.
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  13. igncom1

    igncom1 Post Master General

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    But KGB sounds cooler!
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  14. thetrophysystem

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    It won't technically be the revival of the USSR, but it closely mimics how Hitler, not inciting negativity to his meer mention as he was a politician and genious if you set aside his assanine psychotic pursuit, was putting back together Germany after World War One.

    He re-assembled lost territories just ten or twenty years after Germany lost it from conceding through war surrender. He just regathered previously German territories back to Germany. That inhereitly was nothing wrong.

    That technically is all Putin is trying to do (right now). Which is fine, it is a bit of a overflex of military might for taking back old territories aggressively, but it is none of our business and he is just trying to do something to make him some great leader for Russia.

    Hitler just kept taking and taking and striking other completely seperate nations altogether. Even telegramming Mexico to coax them to allow German invasion through their borders. That was Hitler's problem.

    So that is speculation. It depends on if the person thinks Putin is psychotic as well. If so, they think he is trying to revive the specific old one as much as possible and has longterm plans to aggress over other nations. If not, he will probably recollect old territories over hybrid capitalistic new Russia and make his nation look real good and top-of-the-game to other nations, just for national pride.

    I honestly don't see any real massive mental problems with Putin, he is a bit manic and flagrant of power, but if he just wants to make himself and Russia look like the best nation in the game, then it is a shame he did all this for that but it is independent of the rest of the world and shouldn't get anyone ruffled until it becomes a problem.

    TL;DR: You can't punish anyone for something they HAVEN'T done yet. This isn't Minority Report, we aren't enforcing precrime, we aren't Tom Cruise.
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  15. Geers

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
  16. thetrophysystem

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    Now I am real bad about bringing up Hitler in random debate, but I don't think this is what you quoted.

    There is literal, LITERAL intellegent comparison between Putin and Hitler. Let me strip the situation down to nonspecific context:

    A world leader is trying to rebuild his nation's greatness, about two decades after a political downfall, by claiming territories once part of the old nation through military force.

    Who am I describing? Putin? Hitler? Or all of the above? C'mon now, be honest.
  17. Geers

    Geers Post Master General

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    Nononononono. I'm not criticizing, just pointing out the "all discussions lead to comparisons to Hitler" side of it. I'm not saying it isn't called for or anything.
  18. kvalheim

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    And nobody will do anything because Russia has an economic stranglehold on Europe.

    But yeah. It's VERY scarily close to Hitler comparisons. Has been for a while, what with the systematic persecution and scapegoating of a minority (Jews / Homosexuals)
  19. Geers

    Geers Post Master General

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    I think that's a tad hyperbolic. There are no gay concentration camps.

    Right?
  20. kvalheim

    kvalheim Post Master General

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    Yet.
    Although that comes later down the line. Nazi Germany didn't START with conc camps

    I'm also not saying that Putin is even close to as bad as Hitler was. But it's been slipping down that way for a while, and if we don't learn from history then what the hell was the point even winning WW2

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