New PC for PA

Discussion in 'Support!' started by daTomas, July 24, 2014.

  1. bgolus

    bgolus Uber Alumni

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    PiP does increase VRAM usage more than you might realize, and SXX is correct in that we don't (currently) change the virtual texture size based on screen resolution. While it's true the way the system works the smaller resolution will prevent the full resolution textures from ever appearing, it still allocates VRAM for it. It's on the list of the things to optimize.

    I would also heavy suggest going with a 4 core i5. For gaming there isn't and won't be a huge difference between an i7 and an i5 for a long time, but i5 vs i3 can be fairly significant.
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  2. daTomas

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    So, based on your suggestions and availability of components here (can't do online shopping), I have ordered this:

    CPU Core i5-4690 Quad 3.5GHz LGA 1150 6MB BOX
    MB Gigabyte H97M-HD3 LGA1150 DDR3 1600MHz SATA3 USB3.0 Ultra Durable HDMI/DVI/VGA
    Gigabyte PCX GeForce GTX760 4GB
    PSU 700W CoolerMaster B-Series RS-700-ACABD3
    DIMM 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz Kingston CL10 HyperX Black (2 pcs.)
    SSD 2.5" Kingston HyperX Fury Series 240GB
    HDD 3.5" 1TB Western Digital SATA3 64MB Caviar Blue 7200rpm WD10EZEX

    Thank you all for your help.
  3. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    That would be great if this will be improved! ;)
  4. websterx01

    websterx01 Post Master General

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    Have you gotten the RAM yet? If not, try to get a CL9, it'll increase perf by up to .6nanoseconds (matters! I use 2133MHz CL 9: 4.2nanoseconds) It can be of some good since you're using an SSD.
  5. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    He can just set lower CL for RAM easily.

    I recently replaced mine 8GB CL7 RAM (4GB *2) with 32GB CL11 RAM (8GB *4) that working as CL9 without a problem.
    To be absolutely fair I didn't noticed any difference even in benchmarks. :D
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  6. daTomas

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    I don't think that I will overclock anything, i'll leave it stock. Other DIMM that I can order is this DIMM 8GB DDR3 2133MHz Kingston HyperX XMP Beast, DDR3-2133 CL11, CL(IDD) 9 cycles . Is it really worth to make changes to this order? Price difference is about 10 euros.

    And one other thing, this MoBo supports 2 DIMMS up to 1600 MHz.
  7. Fr33Lancer

    Fr33Lancer Well-Known Member

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    If it supports up to 1600 Mhz, there is no point buying RAM which run at higher speed.
    Anyway, current state of RAM (DD3) is a slider between CAS Latency and Frequency.
    If you're objective is not to mess with those settings (O/C in general), you currently can't go wrong with PC12800 (1600Mhz).
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  8. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    Oh I didn't noticed this originally and now I would recommend to buy mobo with 4 slots.
    Who know if you might want to get even more RAM in future... ;)
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    Fr33Lancer Well-Known Member

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    He mentioned looking to buy 2 * 8 Go, I think he should be settled for long enough with that.
    But I agree it's odd, other manufacturers than Gigabyte do have 4 slots on their H97M boards
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    Yep, I changed it to mobo with 4 slots. I will make a order in tuesday, monday is a holiday here.

    There is a new build and I can't play it... :(
  11. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    You might always want to get more RAM for some purpose. :D
    With DDR4 appear soon it's not likely that 16GB non-ECC DDR3 sticks ever met market.
  12. Deletive

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    to be honest in tech I can tell you futureproofing is gone of the worst things you can do. Stay away from kingston SSD's they are in a whole sdd controller thing switching controllers after review units for consumers.

    you don't need 700watts on a powersupply for a single card for any reach ever unless it's AMD heavy overclocked with both unlocked voltage on cpu and gpu but even than you can do 600w-650w.

    Btw is it possible to start developing HSA for this game please? It'll bring a few more buyers in january because reviewers will test it with AMD's new chips.
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  13. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    To be fair I not sure what do you want from HSA in PA. Client-side isn't CPU-intensive at all and don't really need much of GPGPU. Though Uber does planned to use compute shaders when available, but I have no idea what for.

    And server-side where GPGPU can be useful for things like physics it's can't be high priority because most of servers going to run on hardware that don't have any GPU in it.
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    hUMA would improve performance quite a bit because the GPU and Dgpu (gcn3.0) will be able to read memory off each easier. and over all can jump start the gmaing industry, developing HSA will improve performance in the long run.

    It's a pretty big game and with HSA i can see 40 person (the game is still going to have that right?); games running off a little budget Carrizo chip (a8) with opengl/opencl anyways.

    Planetary annhilation with HSA can open eyes to people thinking "hey if this can do this, it can do other things too."

    it opens doors is pretty much in the industry what i'm saying.
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    I did a little reading on forums, and I will change Kingston SSD drive to Samsung 840 Evo 250GB SATA3 540MB/s.

    And for the PSU, I am plugging a lot of external hardware, so it is better to have a more juice.
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    Hey guys, one last question... What about ATI cards? Particular this one:

    Sapphire ATI PCX R9 280 3GB GDDR5 DUAL-X 2xDVI/HDMI/DP OC w/Boost

    The other one that I pick is:

    Gigabyte PCX GeForce GTX760 4GB

    ATI is 70 euro cheaper. Thoughts?
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    I'd take the R9 280 as it is faster than the GTX760 and 3GB of VRAM should be enough.
    It seems that there have been more driver issues with AMD cards in the past, but I think it has gotten better. At least I don't have any issues anymore with my R9 290 and Catalyst 14.6 even here on Linux where drivers are usually more of a problem.
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  18. websterx01

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    To be fair, those were some painfully loose timings for my enthusiast brain :p

    And of course he can, but OC'ing RAM is difficult, since few programs actually stress it enough to get a good stability test--for all you know, yours is unstable, but not in day-to-day activity. The tighter timings usually only affects file-moving and the like.

    Definitely the AMD card. Better bang for buck, and the drivers are pretty reliable now, so you should be fine.

    Also, if you ordered the RAM already, it isn't worth the change :D
  19. Deletive

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    280 is a suppose ably a tier higher than a gtx 760 so I would say go for it.
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  20. SXX

    SXX Post Master General

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    I would say it's bad idea to go with AMD becase PA is OpenGL-powered game and AMD can't in OpenGL drivers. It's doesn't mean there is less problems/bugs on Nvidia, but overall performance is clearly better with their GPUs and drivers. Nvidia just put a lot more effort into GL stack improvements.

    Though no doubt Nvidia GPUs are overpriced, but Intel CPUs are overpriced too. :p
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