Metacritic user votes?

So PA could happen?

If you assume I've kickstart it to get the beta/alpha, you are very wrong.

That's not where my issue lies. It lies in the fact that you are opposed to early access, while the kickstarter page quite clearly stated there would be early access (perhaps limited to the higher tier backers, still early access though).

Not a all. They gave us a early access (in the real meaning of the term -read https://forums.uberent.com/threads/can-you-see-why-he-is-saying-this.61473/page-15#post-954362 if you are confused-) to the beta as a reward for donating.

They NEVER said they will sell the game to everyone at 200% of the retail price after a few prototypes.

If you're upset at the economic reprecussions of what game developers do has on the industry, there are much larger fish to fry.

And honestly, most alphas I've played have been better than the finished products because they lack clutter generated for the sole purpose of making the game more broadly appealing. I'm willing to pay more for a product I have a better chance of enjoying, even if I know eventually I may have to dump it. Early access lets me do that.

They are always bigger fish to fry. With that spirit, you never say anything about any subject, I fail to see how that is good.

And really, you can fry a small fish and fry bigger fish at the same time.
You may even realize that they are actually the same fish in disguise.

But why should you give a toss about that?

It's essentially the same thing as a kickstarter donation. You give the same amount, get the same rewards, and get to help fund development.

That's a win for everyone involved: UBER gets funding, those who alreayd have PA get more players and security in the knowledge that development is being funded, and those players who purchase early access get to play PA and help development.

I honestly don't understand where you gripe lies.

Then why the **** are you complaining?
If you don't like the idea of early access then don't play the early access, is that so difficult? They made it VERY clear that the game would have an early access period, and some people enjoy early access.
It's also been stated by the devs time and time again that the early access is priced the way it is so that original backers don't feel screwed over.

Not to mention it means only the hardcore fans that want to take part in the early access actually take part.

It's not.
The fact that you can't make the difference between giving money to someone and buying something is probably part of the problem.

Read my messages, you may find some clues..

Also, do you know that some people were paid to give the feedback you are giving while giving money too?
Yes, you actually took the job of some students that used that to pay their rent.

giving out options is an evil thing it seems ...

also buying something always involves giving money to somebody ... it´s not like if you buy the game from a retailer the company wouldn´t get their cut ...

Then why the **** are you reading me?

If you don't like what I'm saying, then don't read and answer me, is that so difficult? I made it VERY clear that I don't care if you agree or not. But chances are that I would stop posting if people would stop quoting me.

I'm eager to know if you would speak like that if you had me in front of you.

Would be very nice to be respectful even if we don't share the same opinion, don't you think?

Uber has made lots of people feel upset with their actions, so that reason seems really... weird.

I don't really get why you, as a consumers, want to shoot yourself on the foot so much; early access used to be much cheaper, one would think that consumers want to defend the low prices.

Maybe it's some kind of self defense mechanism... trying to reason the mistakes.
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/19/fanboyism-and-brand-loyalty/

The fish aren't the developers. They are the distributors, publishers, and consumers.

Consumers that are unwilling to pay over a certain amount, regardless of the amount of money it took to make the product is probably the biggest problem with the industry right now.

Distributors demanding prices be set at a certain level without taking into consideration the shipping and distribution fees of other platforms are another.

And publishers that force certain payment models when they don't suit the game, or are unfair to consumers.

Those are the bigger fish.


I'm fine with companies charging more for games if it turns them a profit. They deserve to make a profit.

The "evil" of early access you describe is something I consider much less "evil" than that of intentionally stripping games of content to sell as DLC. If big publishers switched to something like this I'd be happy with the situation.

You also seem to think that kickstarter funds are in some way fundamentally different from early access funds in their donation status. It's just an extended Kickstarter with all the risk that entails. Less actually, because the product is partially finished.

It's priced the same as the kickstarter.
It has the same rewards of the kickstater.

Your perceptions of kickstarter must just be skewed, because a lot of people view it as a simple preorder and not a donation because every tier offers compensation besides the moral fuzzy feeling of donating.

@thepilot my belief is that Uber are not these people and that they won't abandon PA as soon as it releases.

In fact I believe they will be wise enough to fulfill most of their promises before release and do everything in their power to grab MORE sales from post release then from post release.

From reading this thread, one might say giving an opinion was also an evil thing...

Kickstarter is a donation platform. It turned into something else, and it may very well die (for games) in a very short notice for that reason.

You are right that they are bigger evil, but in this case, Uber is the publisher too. They are the ones making these decisions.
And for the moment, they are checking all the evil boxes one by one.

After the micro-transactions for cosmetics, I wouldn't be surprised if gaz giants (or any post-release big updates) turns into DLC.

So why isn't early access also a donation?

They both are functionally the same. Giving money to a company before the product is released. EDIT: "Finished"

The only differences are how you view it, and the website it's hosted on.

What!?.... I don't even.... Panda Hat.

Anyway, have this one on the house:


And I think you are having an issue telling the two apart. Seeing as you donated, sure. BUT, you also bought something.

That's a rather hypocritical post you got there, but whatever continue dancing around the point I made.

Kickstater is a donation. The fact that there are tiers reward is a cookie. Actually, one some kickstater, donating just give you a name in the credits, not the product.
Also, by donating on kickstater, you are made very well aware that the final product may never come to existence.

Early access is a consumerist act. You buy a license to use a software. You are buying a product, and you accept the price-tag on it for what it represent.
It's almost (if not entirely in our liberalist world) a political action.
You do realize that there is no such things that decently made 5 dollars t-shirt?