What would you call the TA-SC-PA subgenre?

SESPMSRTS

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Streaming Economy RTS is how I think of them. The steady flow in and out of resources is what really makes them stand out as a gameplay theme. A few other RTS games have in-streaming resources, such as DoW's requisition, but requisition is spent in lump purchases like in starcraft or other mainstream RTS games.

Your usage of time here is interesting. What is the time-like backdrop that is used when you say 'first' and 'initially'? Are you saying that when designing a game people decide upon a genre and then choose a setting and narrative? Does each setting have a tendency to push the genre of a game in a certain direction? I really don't understand how there is time in game categorization and ask these questions even though I am wary of putting words in your mouth.

I view genre as a final attribute of games which is purely used to categorize them. Sure, during the creation of the game the developers could have a genre in mind and the setting they are working with can change the final product. But once the game is complete you can look at the genre of the game completely independent of the other attributes (such as setting) that the game has.

Tasty.

I played total war shogun 2 fots which is a really recent one it did NOT feature projectile simulation.

all unit to unit fights were settled by dice roll (not screen dice, under the hood dice)

"TA-Like". That's how I've always called 'em.

Total Annihilation was literally the defining game in what is now a gameplay sub-genre, so in my eyes at least, "TA-Like" covers anything you'd want to know about how the sub-genre operates and which games and gameplay elements fall under that category.

that seems only fitting since Dota-like is the name given to any moba (game like LoL). And yes it has two names, that is linked to the number of people playing this genre. I don't think the TA-like genre warrants two names, though.

I like my "Simulated Projectile RTS" but it's too convoluted. I don't sincerely expect people to take after it.

"Oh pfft.. it's an SPRTS"
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"A single player RTS?"
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*facepalm*

yeah that's what I mean

Have you used TW's Artillery?

Well I'm assuming a game developer sets out to make a 'RTS'/'Tower Defence'/'Adventure Game' etc. and then proliferates into subgenres. That's the major choice in terms of how the game will turn out, even if you know from the start you want a game about 'Game of Thrones', for instance. However as the game develops certain considerations within setting might affect gameplay - E.g. How badass should 'The Hound' be, and should he gain a huge melee bonus from eating chicken?

I think settings and lore influence genre to some extent and lead to new forms of gameplay, and perhaps even the emergence over time of new genres. However most people don't set out to create a new genre - they pick one and create/realise a world within that genre.

yea, at least when you fire it yourself that must've been simulated.
however this only applies to a small part of the unit roster. so I don't think it qualifies for "simulated" as a whole but then again neither does it qualify as an RTS, as it is a TBS.

I'm not sure about the other ranged units though. The projectiles don't chase targets like in a Blizzard game. An arrow's flight isn't predetermined because if a formation turns about the volley does more damage upon arrival.

that is most likely the work of statistics, not simulation. take the squadron's angle and you have a given percentage of damage given, presto.

Yeeaaahh.. But not the entire volley hits the formation if the formation is part-way out of range of the volley. I know stats must be in there somewhere because of things like Tortoise formation. The arrows find their marks as well. It's probably changed as the TW sim has gotten more advanced.

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But the arrows are already in flight when a unit is moving. Yes they do more damage at a different angle (and that's probably down to stats), but they still miss if their target moves. Am I misunderstanding what it is to have a simulated projectile?

do you have footage of that happening? what I witnessed in fots was to the contrary. random part of the units died, they didn't make contact with arrows or weapons, if they did, it was that the alignment was lucky. but that was only for appearances, under the hood, it was the dice and the stats working.

I could.. take some screens next time I'm playing Total War? xD

yeah, do that, although, you could just start up OBS, it make creating recordings really simple.