Vanguard OP

Discussion in 'Balance Discussions' started by krazeweed, June 16, 2014.

  1. krazeweed

    krazeweed New Member

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    Vanguards really OP. Nerf it!
    In fact, he has AOE blaster as the commander. But the commander has a cooldown, and Vanguards Unlimited shoots.
    I think that a machine with such a powerful weapon, which basically destroys any building or unit, hell even on the area should have some restrictions
  2. Devak

    Devak Post Master General

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    according to one of the dev's playtests, metal-to-metal it's fair. it's power lies in that when you're not prepared it can kill you, but when you are you kill it with ease.

    so it's a strategy thing.
  3. igncom1

    igncom1 Post Master General

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    Yeah, gunships really chew through them.
  4. thetrophysystem

    thetrophysystem Post Master General

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    I am going to make one an APC in a mod. lol.
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  5. epicblaster117

    epicblaster117 Active Member

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    Vanguards aren't really overpowered, infernos on the other hand are overpowered. Their health and damage potential relative to their cost is insane.
  6. brianpurkiss

    brianpurkiss Post Master General

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    The Vanguards have the same DPS as they used to, but AOE effect.

    A single Vanguard can take out an army of 100 Infernos and Ants.

    That seems OP to me.
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  7. Devak

    Devak Post Master General

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    To argue on behalf of Uber,

    that is the mistake you made.

    I think it's too soon to call it OP. Uber's said that metal-to-metal they're not that OP, so there may be some aspect to it we haven't discovered. it's been a few days. Strategy takes more time to turn around.
  8. thetdawg3191

    thetdawg3191 Active Member

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    being mauled by a vanguard? there are some things you can do:

    1 - gunships. can't kill what it can't shoot

    2 - back the **** up, and kite his arse

    3 - Gil-E, Leveller, Sheller. outrange that fool

    4 - a second Vanguard. ultimate smackdown
  9. epicblaster117

    epicblaster117 Active Member

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    Considering a vanguard can potentially kill 100 units in one shot that actually is quite a problem...
  10. emraldis

    emraldis Post Master General

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    That is an exaggeration.
  11. epicblaster117

    epicblaster117 Active Member

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    Its possible though, get a clump of 100 dox and if they end up facing a vanguard and your not paying attention they're pretty much guaranteed death.
  12. emraldis

    emraldis Post Master General

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    I don't think 100, That sounds more like 50 in that space to me. Also, if that's what you're doing with your units, then you're going to lose anyway. That's an incredibly hypothetical situation.
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  13. vorell255

    vorell255 Active Member

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    I think it needs more analysis. But if you are getting owned by vanguards (losing 100 of units...) chances are you got out teched.

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