fab bot fab vehicle

Discussion in 'Balance Discussions' started by ace902902, April 26, 2014.

  1. ace902902

    ace902902 Active Member

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    same speed, same build rate, same efficiency, same hit points.
    bot can turn faster.
    bot builds advanced bot fac
    vehicle builds advanced vehicle fac

    almost no difference.
    this must change. non negotiable.
  2. stuart98

    stuart98 Post Master General

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    Bots and vehicle fabbers now have identical stats other than which adv facs they can build and what facs build them.
  3. zweistein000

    zweistein000 Post Master General

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    This has been suggested before. Ideally I'd like to see the bot fabs be faster and more maneuverable, but weaker, where vehicle fabs are slower but have more HP that way vehicle fabs would be front line fabbers and fabbers that cant easily be sniped while bot fabs would be faster and geed at expanding but very easily stopped.
  4. brianpurkiss

    brianpurkiss Post Master General

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    The two fabricators used to be different. Which is why everyone always built a bot factory first because the bot fabbers were better.

    That meant everyone always built the same factory first, and that's bad.

    By making those two fabricators the same, we now have the option to build vehicles or bots first.

    If the two fabbers were different, then we'd end up only ever building one factory first.

    I think it's better this way.
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  5. ace902902

    ace902902 Active Member

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    i know, i had the game then, but then why don't we just have one that can build both advanced factories?
  6. brianpurkiss

    brianpurkiss Post Master General

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    Because there's more strategic depth by requiring different fabbers and factories.

    Do I want to go vehicles or bots? It must be a specific choice as they require investment.

    Otherwise there's just one fabber that does everything and less planning is required.
  7. cptconundrum

    cptconundrum Post Master General

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    The difference is actually significant and very interesting. Although the fabricators themseles are the same, the vehicle factory is slightly more energy efficient and produces units a little faster. This advantage is enough to make vehicle fabbers better, since you will be making so many of them in a game.

    On the other hand, bot factories also produce stingers, which are much better than spinners in every way. I usually go bot first in order to have access to those stingers for the early game, but later transition to using mostly vehicle fabbers. I think this is a really interesting trade between the two and my own personal solution is to find a balance that leaves me with at least some of each type of fabber in most games.
  8. thetrophysystem

    thetrophysystem Post Master General

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    fix'd.

    if equal fabbers, best fact is built first. If different fabbers, best fabber is built first.

    best case is leave fabbers the same for now. Lets see how factories end up. One fabber or the other or both might stand adjustments or specialization.

    sadly, atm, stingers are op, so bot first resists bombers, vehicle firsts provides faster raiding, air provides faster fab snipes. So its like air>veh>bot>air...
  9. igncom1

    igncom1 Post Master General

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    We could make like a half track half walker engineer hybreed for land construction?

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