Making Dox and Slammers Faster

I currently feel like these standard bots are completely invalidated by either pelters, GilE and other longer range units. Thus making them rather useless mid game. However giving them a little extra speed to allow better microing of bot armies will fix this. I honestly feel like bots should be just as useful as vehicles or even better if micro'd properly, but currently with the slow speed this is near impossible.

no micro no micro no micro.

Faster slammers to make them more like the Zippers from TA would make them actually useful again. I like the dox speed though.

T1 is completely useless when T2 is introduced, just *Micro* (going the opisite direction of army isnt micro, its just annoying). Making T1 tanks and dox a little faster so they can actually catch T2 would make the game more interesting, and make people have T2 behind lines dealing DPS while Massive T1 armies collide would be more interesting then the *Micro* of moving in opposite direction of T1 army, and making that T1 army completely useless...

(aKa make T1 cheaper and faster and T2 to support T1 instead of going all T2, like in the old battles with millions of Ants and a couple of levelers to support)

Does anybody else think people are taking the fear of micromanagement a little far?

TA zippers were completely useless when jeffies, flashes, and peewees were all better at raiding.

They didn't have enough firepower, yeah. But slammers with a speed increase would be a really interesting unit without risking any overlap with t1 or t2 vehicles.

wouldn't that make them faster then dox?

Q: What do you call a packet of bots?
A: A dox box.

Lame joke is lame.

Faster, stronger, and with better dps. But if you want to take advantage of all the benefits you're paying for then you have to send them without any slower units like anti-air for support. You gain superior raiding capabilities in exchange for not being able to mix support units into the army. Plus, slammers still don't outrange turrets.

Why did a ton of people ask for them to be faster, when in fact gil-e need to be a little slower. Dox are one of the faster units in the game no? Also, air need be slightly slower, an attack ordered is pretty much unreactable.

An even faster bot, maybe as strong as Dox but faster and more expensive? Maybe. As cpt said, they would be superior for raiding and flanking albeit slowed down if mixed with AA or anything.

People just want the slammer to fill a role that doesn't overlap too much. You have t2 vehicles for direct assaults already, so slammers just don't get used.

why not give them the same dmg or close to as a dox but give them more health so they can take dmg and help raid single or few tower defended areas, with dox and stingers support?

The dox variant of the vanguard lol?

That could work too. I still like the idea though of advanced raiding units that are too fast for any support to keep up with. It could make for some risky plays.

What we clearly don't need is another unit to push straight down the middle lane. That's what vehicles do really well at and I think using bots for fighting around the edges makes the game really interesting while big tank battles continue throughout the game.

My only other problem, is that micro would make 1 or even possibly more unhittable by other units. The shots travel fast, but if you click out of the path of the shot it will never hit you where you are going or where you turn. This is already true at some ranges with the current bot's speed.

They are borderline alright, they already die eventually. Just, Gil-e don't need it, and an even faster one might be hard to kill with anything even in-range.

That would be a problem, I think. A small range reduction and a slight hp increase would balance out but keep dodging from being so effective, because you would need to get closer to start shooting.

Well that would put it more in the realm of balanced. However, if used without clicking would be neigh unuseable, while used with dodgeclicking micro, they would be the best flankers and bum-rushers.

I still think maybe slammers should get a range reduction and speed increase. To make them the better flanking bot.

I agree with this. The further into a match we go, the less effective dox harass is. Slammer harass might be viable if they were sped up, to say 15m/s. Would make them a better counter to shellers too, which I imagine will seem to become stronger just because their bugginess would be fixed.

Personally, I think all all terrestrial units, excluding air, should be faster, not too much, just a bit. I love huge planets, and I think that this should help make those a bit more feasible to play on.