Upcoming PACE events

While I don't like making the logical fallacy of ad hoc ergo propter hoc, it seems mightily coincidental that PACE disbands shortly before eXodus forms. I just hope this doesn't mean there will be sour feelings between any of the casters/organisers.

PACE hasn't disbanded.

One of the directors left and said it was disbanding without asking anyone.

PACE hasn't disbanded. Gandalf just left and we're gonna do our best to keep a community run and open tournament league up and running.

Well PACE may not be disbanding, but it does seem like a lot of the key people from PACE make up the eXodus group.

And then i'm just chilling now not affiliated with either and going to become one of the top players again is my goal. I have high hopes for eSports as a whole in the PA community. To be frank i'm not sure if either group will be the group that ends up being the group that leads everything world wide in a year from now. It will be these groups that pave the way for eSports to become big in PA.

thanks for the clarification. Good luck with PACE in the future! And to eXodus too, as anything growing the PA community is good in my eyes

Only one former member of PACE is apart of Exodus. And he didn't stick around for very long. I wouldn't call that key.

I would be careful with rewriting history, if I were you.

@PRoeleert and @martenus were both more involved in PACE than you were, even after you tried to take over the whole group. The others were all very involved too. As far as I know, @ZaphodX is the only one that wasn't really a part of PACE.

I should say the same for you.

Don't make up stuff. I was pretty darn involved in PACE and never once tried to take over the whole group.

If you're talking about hosting PACE on PA Matches, then you should check your facts. I made an offer, and everyone involved supported it as a temporary solution for having a quick website with tons of instant promotion. Don't accuse me of stuff (specifically trying to take over PACE) unless you know all of the facts. I constantly advocated and pushed for PACE to being community run.

There is just absolutely no way you can deny how much the founding members of eXodus contributed to PACE before they left.

By the power vested in me as super non-moderator, I forbid a flamewar to break out henceforth.

This is not the steam forums.

Bsport and proeleert were doing all of the web development, from what I remember. Martenus directed tournaments. From what I saw in the PACE documents before I made the decision to not do anything with PACE, Sambasti seemed to have been the first one to see what was happening with the group leadership and leave.

@brianpurkiss
@cptconundrum

No matter who of you is right, please stop this, it isn't headed anywhere positive.
Just both do your best with your respective concepts.

Actually, I've spend 15 minutes writing that message to you, it wasn't a template. But I got a very "cold" reply

We are the very beginning of eXodus still and we will for sure need more crew later. As already mentioned in another thread, we count with certain people to future and sooner or later we will recruit second dual-casting team. You may apply to such position, we will definitely keep your name on the list and tell you more once we know more.

For now, everyone will be able to contribute to guides, video guides and later a video section of gameplay videos. Everything else has been covered and we avoid overrecruiting. If you wish to support eXodus in any way we didn't think of, let us know via the contact form and we will get back to you.

All of you guys interested in eSports will have your chance later, don't forget that all the major features of our website are still coming and later you will have a big big playground to play on.

This is all getting a bit political people, everyone is trying to help build the eSports scene in PA so lets try and keep progressing towards that goal.

After reading through this thread, one issue that has struck me is the move towards 'invite only' tournaments. I understand the reasoning for this however I think the way it's organised needs work to avoid creating a closed system.

What I think we need here is 2 tiers of tournament. They could be divided into 'Open' and 'Championship' tournaments for example.

The mechanism for entry into the Championship tier should be available to anyone, and based upon performance in one of the Open level tournaments. That approach allows new players to move up into the Championship level. It also allows the entry to be more specific than using the 1 v 1 ladder (so for example entry to a Champ level 2 v 2 tournament would be based on a minimum performance in the Clopse Open 2 v 2 we just had).

Making entry based on the ladder is a mistake imo- as you need to play allot of games on PA-Stats to get up there. There are allot of top RTS players from TA, Spring and SupCom not playing PA at the moment- I'm certain some of these guys could come in and quickly qualify based on there skill and it would definitely mix things up a bit.

What I'm concerned with at the moment is that the current invites are going out to the same players all the time. It also risks separating the top players from the rest- and it's very difficult to get good when you can't get match ups against the best. I think all players should be required to play a number of the open tourneys to avoid making an 'us' and 'them' system.

I know Zaphod prefers the 'invite' tourneys as it produces more quality games to stream. However I don't think its necessary to stream all the way through every tournament. With the lower level Open tourneys perhaps you would only stream the semis and finals or something?

Don't worry, we definitely don't intend to do away with open tournaments. We'll have less of them, but that's because in our eyes big events like this should be something special. We definitely want to avoid stunting community growth.

The thing we want to avoid is to build this super complex fancy tournament structure. Something like that belong in an esports scene more advanced than PA. It's too easy to think that huge fancy open tournaments, tons of different casters, and prize pools create a big esports scene, but in reality they are a product of it, not the original cause. An esports scene develops because of a growth in viewers. THAT is what ee is focusing on initially. That doesn't mean ignoring the rest though.

Thanks for the reply- no problem. All I'm trying to get at though is that the non open tournaments should be accessible via a qualification system (I understand setting this up will take time, however I think a principal needs to be decided upon early for something like this).

Invite only certainly suggests its pretty much closed and up to the organisers who gets in. If instead it becomes simply a qualification required tournament (what I was referring to as 'Championship') then any player has a chance to get in provided the meet the criteria for entry. The system doesn't need to be that complex, it could simply be all players have to have reached a minimum of round X in an open tournament. It still has the desired effect of filtering out the weaker players to provide top quality matches to watch- however it gives people something to strive for and gives the open level more of a purpose. I also really think we need a better term to describe these tournaments than 'invite only' as it comes over as very elitist and closed.

That's not going to happen for quite a few reasons and I'd be happy to talk to you about them on teamspeak or a private message sometime.

Mainly, the closed invite only focus of Exodus is the exact opposite of PACE. PACE is 100% completely open.

That's how PACE was setup from the beginning.

The majority of our tournaments are completely open to whoever wants to sign up. And then we have closed tournaments that people have to qualify for and they qualify by playing in the open tournaments.

Nah. There's too much drama and pot shots at the various organizations in this thread.

We're gonna create a new thread with info about the future of PACE once @PRoeleert gives the PACE Challonge account to someone who's still involved with PACE. I have a post prepared, along with an announcement of the next tournament, I just need to create the tournament with the PACE challonge account before posting it.

So what's going to happen with the planned tournaments? Are they cancelled?