PA League Martius Mayhem (Tournament)

Discussion in 'Planetary Annihilation General Discussion' started by reptarking, February 21, 2014.

  1. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    Well keep in mind that the director of the tournament was me and anything that got spoken on the public TS was not official statements.
    All rules and official statements will always be found in the official document, anything else is not being considered official unless personally addressed by tournament director or head of a department.
  2. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    That is exactly why do we use Swiss - to give everyone possibility to play the whole tournament and not feel like a fodder.
    Swiss is good that you fight for your rank in all the rounds. If you do not aim to be 1st, you can still aim to be 1st in the "other half".

    Regarding the seeds, yes. The more games you play, the more accurate it gets. With every tournament your seeds improve. If you play a lot of 1v1 in your free time with PAStats ranked matches it also influences your seed.

    Only two games ended with a tie. First 4 rounds lasted mostly less than 20 minutes. Even after 4th round, majority of the games lasted less than 20 minutes, but it took long because of the crashes and stuff. Even those "epic games" didn't last longer than 30 minutes, it just took too long for them to even get to 20 minute because of the crashes.

    This is valuable data for us and we can improve the pace of next tournaments. If the crashes are not an issue with future and every game starts within first 5 minutes of the round start, we can easily shorten the round time to just 30 minutes for let's say first 4 rounds. Almost none of the games will end in a tie.
    Round 5 and 6, where "more epic" games are expected, can be made longer.
    And the best option, if we make rounds last 30 minutes and save those 10 minutes, that means after saving 3 rounds, we can add a round! That will make the final results ever more accurate and more games for everyone!

    In future you can expect 7 rounds lasting 30 minutes, 5-10 minute break in between the rounds. Total time is less than 5 hours, which is great.
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  3. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    Information about new tournament will be released today. Stay tuned!
  4. cptconundrum

    cptconundrum Post Master General

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    30 minutes per round sounds really short. I don't like the idea of being agle to force a draw just by holding out that long.
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  5. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    Most of the rounds lasted shorter than 25 minutes.

    Currently the plan is to have 40 minutes for 1st round. 30 minutes for other regular rounds and 40 minutes for the last two rounds.

    The planets are also gonna be 50 radius smaller.

    Time shouldn't be an issue and if see many ties poping out during first two rounds, we will take actions accordingly.
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  6. FSN1977

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    Well that could lead people too turtle up and go for the draw, and maybe not take risks to win the game.
  7. mered4

    mered4 Post Master General

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    and lose quickly. Practice against randoms who try that and you'll figure out how to kill them quickly.

    And it IS a viable strategy, btw - its just a nooby one. :)
  8. FSN1977

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    well with the power of uber cannon and cheap OP Laser defence, anything is possible :)
  9. cptconundrum

    cptconundrum Post Master General

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    Not really. If you fill your base with pelters and laser turrets, you just get nuked.
  10. FSN1977

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    Well the problem can be fixed if there is alot of good players, they can easily find the solution to kill a turtle, but we are seeing alot of new players, maybe they join the turnement? then there will be many draws, first round or even second.
  11. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    Would it not be unreasonable for the system to put me behind him after I beat him, considering our win-loss overall was the same?
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  12. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    Well, like I said, the system is not just that easy to say that. It counts all the score of the players you have faced before and it is actually just this "meh" thing, that I didn't got close to understand. I trust the maths behind the challonge and hope they did it right.

    Anyway, in the upcoming tournament, there shouldn't be such an issue. We will have more rounds and the results will be more accurate for highest ranks.
  13. Martenus

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    So, turtling is a viable strategy in normal games. Imo it never works, turtling is not a strategy to win the game.

    1. To win the tournament, you cannot have draws. You must win.
    2. You cannot win as a turtle.
    3. Turtles get cracked quite easy in 1v1.
    It is of course a possibility someone will be a turtle in the tournament, but I do not think it will be an issue. If it should cause some major problems, we will deal with that.
  14. cola_colin

    cola_colin Moderator Alumni

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    If you put in a drastic limit like 30 minute it is not that far fetched to go and try to force it in case you know your opponent is stronger.
    Meh. 30min is quite below what some epic games can have.
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  15. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    Time should not be an issue. In the last tournament the rounds lasted 40 minutes because people were
    A) Starting late
    B) Crashing

    This time people will be more familiar with Challonge, so starting up will be hopefully faster. Casters will also be picking games quicker.

    Game crashes should be fixed now, so we won't need to rehost.

    Most of the games lasted less than 25 minutes, many many games even shorter.

    Round 1, 7 and 8 are also 40 minute, this is because the last rounds will mostly be the most epic ones.

    If there is a problem with too little time and many games end up in ties, we will make the rounds slightly longer, but now based on our previous experience 30 minutes is just fine.
  16. reptarking

    reptarking Post Master General

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    I'm gonna step in here and say the next tournaments rules will be decided after a meeting.

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