I'm really sorry if this is a stupid question - only went full-time with Linux less than a year ago. What is a Mesa? ...and does "latest kernel" refer to the linux release? or the game engine kernel? I still have the files in a bak folder from my 59607 install - am I supposed to do a patchwork between them and the 61250 files? sorry to be a PITA - was so looking forward to playing the new release, but now I feel like somebody shoved me outside and locked the door! edit: nvm, I found where sxx & deathbydenim talked about the mesa here. not sure I fully understand it still. i'll just patiently go wait in the corner, and cry.
I think you need to start from saying what hardware you have because only integrated Intel graphics need open source drivers. Both AMD and Nvidia have proprietary drivers that is preferable for playing in most situations, but it's depends on graphics card you have. Mesa is userland part of Linux graphics stack, it's implementation of OpenGL/GLSL/etc: http://www.mesa3d.org/ It's used by Intel drivers and open source drivers for AMD GPU (backed by AMD) and Nvidia GPU (reverse engineered). Linux kernel.
Oh also I'm seen your posts in other topic and if you want to buy new GPU get one from Nvidia. At moment there is no alternative for Nvidia if you want to play games on Linux.
thanks SO MUCH for your patience, and replies. unfortunately, my gpu is so old (radeon hd 4850) that the legacy drivers are not supported by the newest xorg - I have to downgrade/rollback the xorg to install non-open source drivers (catalyst). I did that with my previous install but was hoping to not do that again when I did a fresh install of Mint 16 (Linux 3.11.0-12-generic w/ KDE 4.11) otherwise; Athlon 64, 4g ddr2 I'm seriously shopping for new gpu, in the range of a GTX 670 I've also read enough to convince me the $60 is worth it to double my ram to 8gig. Sounds like accelerating these upgrades would be a good idea.
If you mean DDR2 then it's clearly not worth it. Your CPU and mobo will be bottleneck. Buy new GPU now, then when you get more money replace CPU, mobo and RAM.
gotcha. and if I had the Nvidia card, I would be able to play since I'd be able to install the branded drivers?
Yes and you'll have performance parity with Windows version. There number of other Linux-specific bugs you might met, but I guess nothing game breaking.
while I'm surprised to hear this, I trust your judgement. valuable information, i def appreciate you cluing me in. sadly, new mobo/processor/ram isn't happening. $300 is about all i'm gonna spend right now.
I just think It's bad idea to spend it on expensive DDR2 you'll have to throw in trash anyway. So if you have any chances to get money for new CPU/mobo in next 3-5 months it's better to save those $60. If you have have 2 sticks of 2GB and mobo have 4 slots then just one more 2GB stuck. I sure 6GB of RAM it's enough for mostly every online game in PA.
Anyway I recommend to save money for future upgrade because your hardware won't able to efficiently use this GPU. So I agree extra RAM might be helpful, but try to spend less money on it. $60 it's too much for DDR2.
Those who interested in my research on incompatibility can check this task: PA#3057 I'm made some progress in getting to system editor screen and before this screen.
tbh, the situation won't be any different in 6 months. personally, i'm only going to spend so much on computer gaming (it's crazy how priorities shift when the kids get older). my budget is somewhere in the intersection of the venn diagram of "what I'm willing to spend" and "how I can upgrade the computer to where the wife won't notice" whatever this $300 gets me is likely gonna be it for the foreseeable future... the next year for sure.
Basically to be fair I do understand there is 99% chance it's won't work at all, but before GPU locking I get background rendering correctly so possible there is chance to bypass that. So now I'll try to bypass lockup that obviously caused by driver and try to place some planet here.
I'm not sweating it. I've accepted that I won't play again until I get my new gpu. Perusing the board here gives me something to do at work, and to look forward to! Out of curiosity, approx what tier below should I be shooting for to have a gpu that's consistent w/ my hardware (Athlon 64 dual core 3.0ghz w/ 4gig ddr2) i.e. not terribly op and getting bottlenecked by cpu, as I think the GTX 670/760 would be; edit: here's the link to the nice chart. tried to put it here for convenience, but formatting below got all screwy. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart GeForceRadeon Discrete: GTX 690Radeon HD 7990 Discrete: GTX 780 Ti Discrete: GTX 780, TitanDiscrete: R9 290, 290X Discrete: GTX 590, 680, 770Discrete: HD 6990, 7970 GHz Ed, R9 280X Discrete: GTX 670, 760Discrete: HD 5970, 7870 LE (XT), 7950 Discrete: GTX 580, 660, 660 TiDiscrete: HD 7870, R9 270, 270X Discrete: GTX 295, 480, 570, 650 Ti Boost Go (mobile): 680MDiscrete: HD 4870 X2, 6970, 7850 Mobility: 7970M Discrete: GTX 470, 560 Ti, 560 Ti 448 CoreDiscrete: HD 4850 X2, 5870, 6950 Mobility: 7950M Discrete: GTX 560, 650 Ti Go (mobile): 580M, 675MDiscrete: HD 5850, 6870, 7790, R7 260X Mobility: 6990M Discrete: 9800 GX2, 285, 460 256-bit, 465Discrete: HD 6850, 7770, R7 260 Mobility: 6900M Discrete: GTX 260, 275, 280, 460 192-bit, 460 SE, 550 Ti, 560 SE, 650 Go (mobile): 570M, 670MDiscrete: HD 4870, 5770, 4890, 5830, 6770, 6790, 7750 (GDDR5), R7 250 (GDDR5) Mobility: HD 5870, 6800M Discrete: 8800 Ultra, 9800 GTX, 9800 GTX+, GTS 250, GTS 450 Go (mobile): 560M, 660MDiscrete: HD 3870 X2, 4850, 5750, 6750, 7750 (DDR3), R7 250 (DDR3) Mobility: HD 4850, 5850, 7870M
Again a new build and still no PA on Linux Intel or ATI opensource I hope some linux love is on the roadmap soon
I guess it's possible to make client work on Intel with MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.0. If disable part of rendering features that cause crash though JSON configs, but then most likely many many things except planets will be invisible. It's just hard to do that because I'm have GPU lockup on my desktop and testing on laptop it's pain in ***.
