[Guidelines] How to play like a Gentleman

Discussion in 'Planetary Annihilation General Discussion' started by Martenus, February 12, 2014.

  1. Gerfand

    Gerfand Active Member

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    NO, is better to try to make a Snipe and a Drawn... if you are going to lose, lose fighting!:mad:
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  2. arseface

    arseface Post Master General

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    This.

    I have never seen this.

    Throughout the entirety of my schooling, no once was a game cancelled early.
    I've never seen a sports game cancelled because the team gave up, even in the most complete stomps.

    The only reasons I've seen games canceled had to do with the weather. Because people go to games to play them, not just to find out if a person wins.

    Quitters waste my time.

    I've read what you've posted, and I think it comes from a community that values nothing but wins and losses. Every second of every game is a learning opportunity, and quitting early denies both players of that.
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  3. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    Snipe with just a commander left, sure.
  4. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    You still manage to confuse words. Again and again.

    There are games that can end sooner because it is impossible to beat the other team. For example Curling (aren't you watching Olympics now?). I also believe that Volleball and Tenis match can end soon, because one team/player doesn't let the other team/player score a single point.

    It is not giving up. It is calling the game, because it is impossible to revert the outcome.

    There isn't such a thing as a quitter. A player who knows when he lost isn't a quitter, he is the one that saves two minutes of your life. Quitter is a guy, who doesn't know he lost, he ragequits. And that is a huge difference.

    EDIT: I found it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercy_rule

    The Mercy rule.
    A mercy rule brings a sports event to an early end when one team has a very large and presumably insurmountable lead over the other team.

    ("GG" can be called in games like american football, baseball, softball, rugby, paintball and more)
  5. drz1

    drz1 Post Master General

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    Whilst I agree with pretty much everything you say, I am often lacking in the appropriate amount of free time to go through the rigmarole of hunting for a lone commander, or chasing down an astreus with a nuke, or whatever. In these instances, I almost wish the other player would just concede. Likewise, I would rather concede at that stage so that I could get another game in before I have to finish for the night.
    As in most cases, just saying to someone in the lobby "hey, I don't have a lot of time, are we ok with surrenders?" would make things a lot less volatile if someone does/doesn't quit out.
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  6. Slamz

    Slamz Well-Known Member

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    I actually prefer to say nothing most of the time and generally wish more people would.

    "gl;hf" kinda feels like you're saying, "Pfft, whatever, douchebag. I have neither the time nor the inclination to spell out anything so here's some random letters." I'm always tempted to reply with something like "kl;r9" because "I thought we were just trying random gibberish."

    "gg" at the end is so routinely used by only the person who wins that I feel its become almost an insult, as in, "[sarcasm]good game[/sarcasm], nooblet. pwnt lol". I always feel especially insulted when they start saying it long before the game is actually over, when a comeback is still feasible. It only makes me work harder on that comeback. Never say "gg" to me unless I am totally dead or I will triple my efforts to either come back or at least draw the game out for another 15 minutes because to hell with your gg.

    I also hate it when someone says "gg" after a match that was not good by any possible definition. Like 4v4 and 2 of my teammates crashed and the third one clearly wears his pants on his head so we basically get crushed in 15 minutes. GG? I got'cher gg right here mother f

    I might be kind of a bitter *******, come to think of it. What I really am thinking at the start of each match is "I will crush your pathetic army. Prepare to die." Maybe I should just start saying that. "wcypa;p2d"?

    Conan never said that what is best in life is "Good games, having fun, being a gentleman." Krom didn't put men on earth for this! Krom cares only that you fight until the end, and die only after your last Dox is broken.
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  7. drz1

    drz1 Post Master General

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    Such cynicism :p
    I actually do write glhf sometimes, because I genuinely want everyone to have fun playing the game. Without the fun, I don't see much of a point in playing, unless it's for money ;)
    The "premature conGGratulation" has been discussed already, and yes it is a little insulting. Always wait until the dust has settled from the last enemy commander before typing those all important 2 characters.
    Also, agreed on the post-catastophe "gg". I prefer to say something like "well played" , or maybe "yup, that was a game of PA." ;)
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  8. arseface

    arseface Post Master General

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    Mercy fosters weakness, and I have never seen that rule invoked in any game I've ever played or seen. Curling is about as exciting as watching ice melt, so no, I haven't been watching it. Hockey is where it's at.

    People that ignore the last moments of a game do not learn all it has to teach them. Those that deny me those minutes deny me that experience.

    Innovation and excellence come from pressure. The knowledge that you have lost should drive you further to do what you can and try to mete out a draw.

    I know where you are coming from. I just think it's a shallow, soulless outlook on games in general. Expecting other people to accept and enjoy that outlook is just as narrow-minded as you are claiming I am.

    This is a valid reason to surrender. If you are legitimately pressed for time a surrender is totally acceptable so long as you explain it. I know I've surrendered games I was winning by a large margin because I had to bolt. Always apologize.
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  9. tatsujb

    tatsujb Post Master General

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    how so? this is not the game where you can infer such a thing. there exists such a thing as FOW, you know? also attention span.

    what if in the vanilla version of the game, the meteor engaging isn't a factor you're alerted to. Even without that very illustrative example, it's not for you to call who won and who lost.

    you lack patience. that's you that's fine. you say the opponent who doesn't give up upon realization of certain loss is an (insert insult). WHY? you may think it's bad, that's you. How can you generalize and say it is bad in everyone's opinion or otherwise ungentlemanly or (insert insult)?
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  10. tatsujb

    tatsujb Post Master General

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    I'll add that others look up to this as a quality, they'll say it's 'fighting with dignity' or such things.
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  11. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    Oh here it is!
    This is really a bad post. Do you mean this seriously?

    Saying "gl hf" means nothing less or more what it is. It is good luck and have fun, how can you tell people mean this sarcastic? Or their "gg" is sarcastic? This is a common behaviour, when you meet someone at the street you say "Hello sir", not "**** you". That is basically the same what you said here, you can say that my "hello" is "oh hello noobling why am I even greeting you, you are just some random tard behind his PC".

    So you are completely wrong and if you are this pesimistic in everything you do, well, I never wanna be your friend. I am kind of a person who always expect either a realistic outcome or possitive. When someone says "Hi" to me, I accept it as "Oh hi shiny, lets see what you got".

    Got me? Be more optimist bro.
  12. wheeledgoat

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    You'd like to presume that I can't come back, wouldn't you?

    Thing is, this is a rule that the teams agree upon (or, at the minimum, submit to) as a condition of play.

    No such thing here, buddy. Come and get me. :cool:
  13. Slamz

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    I must break you.

    When it comes to real life I am a bit more optimistic. Online? Always bet on troll. You'll be right more than you're wrong. Maybe less true than normal among a bunch of early adopters but when this game is a $19 Steam sale, brace for troll.
  14. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    Still we can behave in good manners. I always try to be friendly to players that have that "good aura". If someone is clearly a jerk, well ... you know what.

    But you aren't a jerk! That isn't what I think.

    I just wanna point out, that players mean all these GGs and GLHFs in a good way. It is just the world we live in. Look at the way we type on FB or in texts. Using so many shorts you can almost make a whole sentence from it.
  15. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    I heavily modified the main post. You might wanna read it again :p
  16. tatsujb

    tatsujb Post Master General

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    you just entrenched yourself even further. [​IMG]

    I'll stick around here until the third part is gone completely. do you think you're some kind of knowledgeable to be telling people what they should be doing?
    tough titty, we're not going to let you.
  17. cptconundrum

    cptconundrum Post Master General

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    He's allowed to have an opinion... It would be nice if it had been able to stimulate a civil discussion instead of this. I disagree with martenus that deleting while in a bad position is mandatory, but I plan to be a lot more polite in my response.

    @martenus, there is so much disagreement over this topic that it looks like players will never reach a consensus. With forum participants split on this, you can never hope to have a guideline that every player will like. My own personal way to solve this is pretty easy. When I clearly can't win, I ask the other player if they would prefer that I delete or keep going. Some people want to get on to their next game, but others just spent a long time playing and don't want to be denied thechance to kill a commander. we have in-game chat, so why not use it?
  18. nimblegorilla

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    Referees frequently call martial arts when an opponent stops being able to intelligently defend.

    Chess matches often end in concession rather than checkmate. Also note that the king is never truly captured in chess.

    Google the concept "delay of game" and you'll find a wide range of sports which from upon dragging out a game.

    When you lose everything but your commander then the game is over. There is no dignity in running away to hide on another planet to prolong the game. It's just poor sportsmanship.
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  19. tatsujb

    tatsujb Post Master General

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    what's that supposed to mean? you mean they simbolicaly don't take it off the board like the other pieces or that it can't be checkmated?
  20. Martenus

    Martenus Well-Known Member

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    He wants to say, that when you only have a commander left, the game is over and you already lost.

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