Why aren't turrets built out of the same material as walls?

Walls have so many HP they can survive a commander explosion. Basic turrets have so little HP than a handful of dox can take them out.

Many players have started surrounding their turrets with walls, but that seems like unneeded micro.

I think there should be some turrets that combine higher HP with lower damage output.

Even better would be some type of build template that lets you encircle a turret with walls.

The hotbuild2 mod has a template for building walls around turrets.

Having turrets meld graphically with walls would be good also...that way it would look like a real defense hardpoint

Hmmm.. You know, you do prove a point.

However, I think walls hp is meant to deter people from attacking that side of the fortress. Walls are meant for forcing people into the door way you have made.

But the turrets having the same HP as Walls. That would be an interesting thing to see honestly. I build walls infront of my turrets so they can survive..

I guess the only problem is now you have these Turrets with wall HP that can then be stacked behind other walls.

Walls have no moving parts. They're solid bricks of damage-sponge.

In all seriousness, turrets need to be vulnerable and/or expensive to prevent their outright spamming. Adding the cost of walls to their "safe" deployment is a way to do that.

i've kind of mentally tossed around the idea of a "heavy" turret. one with slightly longer range than the laser, but not enough to outdo the pelter. maybe a cannon turret of sorts, as opposed to the current laser turret. just a thought tho. might make a thread about it.

What if wrecks were as strong as walls? Would make sense.

HELL YES.

Also, yeah turrets are build to the bare minimum of cost to make the efficient, coating them in proper armour whilst retaining their effectiveness would likely make them 3 or 4 times as expensive, so really building a normal tower with surrounding walls is much cheaper.

Scathis has said they want to avoid walls causing pathing issues... not sure where that leaves us wreck-wise.

it wouldnt make sense if it was anything but a wall wreck...

Just because something is made using the same materials doesn't meant hey should always be of equal "strength". Not to mention that Turrets have a lot of internal bits as well, Actuators, Power Conduits, Flux Capacitors ect ect, where-as a Wall Doesn't have anything like that at all.

Think of it this way, a Concrete Block(re-enforced with rebar) is very touch, very hard to break apart, you'd basically need to chip away at it, but a concrete sheet doesn't have that same amount of density and re-enforcement and is just generally much more vulnerable to failure.

Mike

Destroying the wall leaves a wreck as strong as the original wall? What???...

Isnt that just what you said?

Lets go back to supcom wrecks, much better than these pathing nightmares.

I think the answer is game balance and mechanics, not realism.

Realistically, sure, build everything out of whatever material the wall is made of. The wall is obviously much more resilient and enduring.

Gameplay wise, that is a specific defensive construct with a very honorable role, one way damage soak.

And that is even saying that the walls could have a different design to them, or a different mechanic, or other.

I am just saying, right now it is a role worthy game addition. Aside from balance and function, there needs to be a construct that sets up one sided positioning that is similar to forming terrain.

Nah, I meant that units should leave much more durable wrecks. Walls should only leave debris or rubble when destroyed.
I prefer wrecks in TA. In SupCom units just move and shoot through wrecks like they were ghosts.

Its all preference i guess. I dont mind them trying out more durable wrecks so long as they dont dig themselves into a hole and refuse to change it if it doesnt work.

Its a pain in the *** for me to see units having to move around wrecks to just get obliterated the moment they do creating an even bigger wall, and thats with the miniscule amount of hp units currently have

Think of it as a wall so damaged it can't be repaired.

What is so advanced about a wall that you can't repair it or simply replace missing parts?

Apparently nanolathes can't replace missing parts, otherwise I don't see what's so difficult to salvage from a unit that was 100% functional at 1% health and is now 0% functional at 0% health.

walls are only Metal, w/ no circuits and things like that, but turrets have circuits, a canon, and other things, so they sacrifices their HP to act like a turret, but some Turrets like the Annihilator on TA have a good armor, but it was expensive