haters gonna hate

Trying to explain why some people complain about PA like it's released.
The reason being : It's released (even they still call it beta).

Minecraft says HAI.
I'll back to you about the other points later when I have time

I am all for an online petition, if we get 100.000 signatures the White House has to release a statement about PA.

wow well that's a mature attitude... I'm tempted to put together an indigogo or a kickstarter for FAF folks to all chip into the purchase of the Sup Com IP just to shut you up.

but we don't even have to, we're already playing the game!

Thing it'd be really usefull for is having the source, for making 64bit, multicore and server-client version.

wow lol well let me check which other ones talked about FaF but fact of the matter is TB mentioned FaF during his interview with Neutrino and Garat so HA!

Except that it was neutrino and steve thompson ... unless there was another interview i didnt heard of

Also what a very mature post of you ....

First off early access is good for both developers and especially for consumers. This is because games get created that wouldn't exist otherwise.

Secondly this fixation on pricing is just silly. Anyone can see that the game is going to get cheaper over time. In fact we know that the current price is a barrier to the mass market buying the game. That's ok, we want the people who are passionate about the game to not get flooded out before release. If you don't like the price nobody is forcing you to buy anything. Time has a value and getting early access to the game has value.

I think some people don't like the precedent being set because they are afraid more games will be released before they are finished. Yes this is going to happen and it's a good thing. It's also going to allow an unprecedented amount of new interesting games to exist that never would have been created under the old publisher system.

The funds that early access brings in are what really allows us to keep making the game better and not just push it out the door. For anyone who thinks there is another way to finance the game... there isn't. If you think it's possible feel free to go into competition with us

In all fairness, you have taken a lot of flak for saying this, but are indeed correct. The fact that the price is higher than retail release (in all likelihood) is not stated anywhere on the early access PA page.

However (can't let you get away totally scot-free ), Neutrino has just stated, and I totally agree, that any logically minded person should realise that this price isn't likely retail, and would reasonably assume that it is a premium being paid to help fund the game, and get early access. Just because it isn't like some other games that had beta prices more in line with final release (and to be fair, PA is going this way now anyway, as we near release) doesn't mean people shouldn't still be able to make this conclusion.
Indeed, you can argue that no price is scammy, or too high, if people are willing to pay (as stated above, the free market model).

Anyway, the whole beta/early access scheme is in it's infancy, and there ARE NO RULES right now, EVERY GAME is the exception.

Still mega hyped for PA and glad I paid for my 3 keys

I'll be honest, I haven't' read this whole thread, but you keep hounding this point as if it is some kind of atrocity. The grocery store doesn't tell you when bread is going to be half off tomorrow, why should anybody be obligated to announce what the future price of their product will be?

I dont set up nothing, all developers got the right try make a decent game,like players that buy them got the right to like or not like (Simple and clear)

But since PA is based on same gameplay, we FAF community cant stop see the biggggg diference between PA and Fa(F).

Forged Aliance Forever (FAF) ,its and will be forever the perfect rts to (Smart mind Players) off all times,its just impossible have any other for now .....
You guys just have to understand that and not try to equal PA to FA since the production off the 2 games has diferences in so many ways...

But i think PA its a decent game to casual gamers.....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but presumably FA, in it's original form, had lots of imbalances, broken mechanisms, "casual" problems. These have been ironed out through literally years of modding and patching. Right?
So why does it get a free ride, when PA repeatedly gets a bashing for not being the GOD OF ALL STRATEGY GAMES, when it isn't even finished or balanced.
You make no sense when you take this viewpoint.

ZePilot is right, many off us dont agreed with early access.

Crowdfunding is one of the only ways to help indie developers make some potentially great — or at least, interesting — games. It’s unlikely that a big-name publisher would take a chance on and fund two unproven kids developing a game from their shared studio apartment. Turning the funding over to interested gamers is a decent way for those developers to make enough money to work on the game full-time like here on PA, rather than be driven to madness due to working a desk job during the day just to buy a meager amount of food to eat while developing their game at night.

What’s so bad about giving you a playable build in return for your pre-order, or helping to fund a game that would otherwise not get made? Both avenues of game development create different issues, though both are debilitating. Kickstarter, though a platform for interesting ideas. The crowdfunding site’s biggest qualitative success was Cards Against Humanity, everyone’s favorite game to avoid playing with grandma. The other top successes were either huge disappointments, games or movies that have yet to release months or years later, and a virtual reality headset development kit that isn’t compatible with much, and ultimately requires expensive companion gadgets to achieve its goal.

It’s fine if you want to take a risk and help fund a product on Kickstarter, but the platform not only doesn’t guarantee a worthwhile product — or one that works well, or even releases at all — but it ruins the games news cycle. A large swathe of PC games you read about on your outlet of choice ultimately finishes with a link to Indiegogo or other similar campaign, destroying your excitement and anticipation of a title. Again, tossing money toward projects that would otherwise not receive funding is great, but squelching your excitement about upcoming releases is detrimental to your own enjoyment.

I do not care about some sort of games news cycle
I don't read much news about games anyway, as I only play few games actually.

Are you refering to the +100 euros ppl pay ,and no one told that they will put down the price before the released game without tell no one!

You cant say Uber its perfect because its not..
Even GPG that you so well now,have done the best rts ever (FA) havent show respect to them community when close the doors without publish that before the X day.

Times are hard to all,but its time to they understood that to make money on games they must make first the players.

GPG has not shown respect to the community? What? No idea what you are talking about.
I did not say Uber is perfect. Just sooo good.

Please rephrase I do not understand grammatically.

Nothing against you guys but i have that strange felling that

Hope it´s just me

it was... it's silly of you to assume TB didn't know about faf, I mean common, it's a given! he's an RTS gamer first an foremost. Sure he played and casted tons of Starcraft II, but the reason he chipped in so much to PA is that he remembers TA as one of his favorite games and FA as a grand experience ....of course he knew about faf!

lmfao - but it's been fun to watch, just like a train wreck! can't peel your eyes off it.

I really dont like this since it has transformed from a discussion about PA and the players who didnt play it and youtube to an almost personal attack to uber

PA is excellent compared to other bug ridden early access games like DayZ......
I would like to know how many copies PA sold on Steam through Xmas, as it was always in the top 10.

Are you seriously suggesting that people paying £100 for a game DIDN'T think it would be cheaper at launch? TROLOLOL.
Anyway, enough of this thread, haters gonna hate, but I am not