haters gonna hate

I've been playing a game I'm excited about for 8 months and it isn't even finished yet. Worth the extra I paid on top of the $40 release price for me. Also trying to make a game like this on $2.2M isn't even possible and I want it to succeed. I still don't really understand the big deal, I'm guessing it's primarily the issue of a trend where companies make you pay more for you to play their games early? Still don't think it's as bad as $60 CoD map packs every year or day 1 DLC.

I feel guilty spending time on this forum when I should be doing something constructive, and I LOVE the game. Thus, I'll never understand people spending their time on a site like this only to slag it off...sad face. It feels like people have warped expectations of EVERYTHING now-a-days. I like to try and remember that I'm pretty lucky I'm not in a slum in Africa where I can die of cholera/starvation/thirst/flood/rape/genocide. Puts moaning about an unfinished game into perspective.

Again, there is a big difference between kickstarter and early access. I've explained it in my post.

And no company, before early access, made you pay for playing their game early. (I'm sure you will find exceptions, but that's what they are, exceptions).
It's not even that Uber make you pay more (even it's the cherry on top), it's that they make you pay at all.

If it's unfinished, don't sell it. (it's not a difficult concept, is it? I wouldn't buy a car prototype. I couldn't, they don't sell it)
If you want people to try it, or free QA, make a (free) public/private beta.

And in Uber case, they had beta tester through kickstater already, so it's really only for easy money.
And yes, they ripping people off by selling the beta $50 (and by stating that "40% off is a nice deal") while the final game will probably be cheaper. It's not honest.
And you are paying for making your own QA service...

I'd just like to say, that while your opinion is that they did something wrong. Mine and many others here believe that what Uber did was fine(as in, non issue).

For you to say that this game deserves to be punished(and Uber with it) by negative reviews is you playing Judge and Jury for your own opinions.

Uber didn't have to make this game, they could have also never put it on Steam. You don't deserve this game just like you don't deserve to choose what price it was to be set at. Just because you believe they did something wrong doesn't make your views gospel truth(just as mine don't either).

You can have your opinion, negative or positive, but don't push an opinion as truth. They did nothing wrong, legally, ethically or morally. In fact Wasteland 2 has done the EXACT same thing.

If you really want this game to do well, don't say that you're "glad" for negative feedback(often unfair and unfounded by uninformed people). Don't attack Uber for something they did, instead make suggestions, help them do better. But if they disagree then leave it at that. If you don't want this game and Uber to do well, then please, leave us until the game is released.

If you don't like early access, then wait for release and don't play any non-free alpha/beta games. Otherwise you lose your credibility.

In the end, opinions are opinions are opinions are opinions.

Are you really playing the "they are worst thing than that" card? That's sad.

So, making people pay MORE money for a BETA than the final game, without stating that ANYWHERE in the store page, and make you think it's good deal when it's 20% off (probably still more than the final price), is morally okay for you!?

AFAIK Wasteland didn't make you pay MORE for LESS.

And their beta had the FULL content of the game, just a bugs to squash. So again, far from what Uber is doing.

I did on many occasion. Check the threads I've opened.
Also, I've strongly argued with their beta price when they started it.

You realize that people also got a Comm, Soundtrack, Desktop Wallpaper and a few other things.

So in essence it wasn't just "Alpha, Beta" but also a Collectors Edition(which some people pay $90-$120 with the same if not less).

Also, you are paying more for early access. You get to play the game earlier(still being worked on). Your argument is based upon Personal Morality. I disagree, therefore you can't argue it is morally correct. They did not scam or swindle. All the information can be found easily.

Wasteland 2(Early Access - Beta) has pretty much the same offer as PA. So, indeed they are the same.

Ok, it's fine then. Not a scam at all. *sigh*

Yes, it is sad. that is why it makes moaning about a game feel silly in relation to things that are actually important.
Boo hoo, I spent money without really thinking about it, I feel jipped by a game that is basically exactly how it was pitched, I want the perfect game that is in my head and will never be made, I will moan until people agree with me.
But that's just my opinion. If you feel truly aggrieved, ask fora refund, don't play the game, get on with your life. Simples.

Please, point me where in the steam page is that written?
Where it says "you are paying more than the full game, but it's a Beta Prestige with a free desktop wallpaper"?
Where is the release price written exactly?
Why it wasn't marketed as beta on humble bundle? Since when beta can go on sale and it's okay?

right under the main video and the big blue box where it says "early access". a comment from the developers in italics and made prominent "“Planetary Annihilation is in beta. In other words, we're still making the game! The core experience will change and improve through the coming days, weeks, and months. We update regularly, pushing out new features, tweaks, and optimizations. "


EDIT: removed unnecessarily aggressive comment. Relllaaxxxxxx.

No one has been forced to buy anything. UBER is not hiding anything regarding the development state of the game. Everyone has access to forums, YouTube etc. if someone isn't sure whether to buy or not, he can inform himself and make an educated decision.

Hence at the end of the day it comes down to a free market model, if someone thinks it's worth the money, then go for it, if not leave it. Complaining afterwards just shows that you didn't care about the money and didn't inform yourself properly.

Kick starter of course is different and always a gamble, I for my part would do it again.

Previously(before everyone got beta) it specifically told you that what you were purchasing was equal to one of the Editions(can't remember what the alpha one was called). Sadly, any original Steam info is gone, the forums only go back to December.

At this time you get everything equal to the Warfare edition.

If you feel like you were missold the product, ask fora refund. I would imagine as long as you are courteous, Uber will be able to offer some form of recompense. But moaning about it here won't change a lot of people's minds, as they were aware of the investment when they backed.

So we agree, it's not stated that the BETA is more expensive than the final game?
And that that is morally okay for you?

Irrelevant. It's was never stated on the Steam store page.

And to be be clear : I did backed the game. I didn't bought it on steam.
And as I've already told : Backing != Buying. You are NOT buying an beta or an alpha, you are donating to Uber. (well, it's not that clear in Uber minds I guess).

I don't claim it's a scam because I feel I was scammed.

I claim it because, well, doing what they are doing can't be right. I can't wrap my head around the idea that people that find that okay to sell a beta more expensive than the final game, without saying anything about it to the customers.

"Hey! Buy the new iPhone 7 before everyone else! It doesn't work great (you can't call anyone), but it's only $1000! If you buy it now, you get a 20% discount! Best deal ever!"
Then you buy it, and it's released, fully functionnal, at $400.
But you had a fancy "prototype" sticker, so it's okay.

It was stated that you were getting something equal. Whether you believe me is up to you.

You "feel" like it was a scam. But sadly for you, what you "feel" isn't law or Truth.

Here is where you actually admit to something important. This is more or less you arbitrarily deciding that something isn't right. But unless you have a court case/law/brilliant ethic/moral argument(the first two you have a chance with). It is an opinion. As I said before, opinions are opinions.

You can Play the Game right now, and it Provides a lot of fun to a lot of people. It has downsides, which should be clear when talking about alpha, beta or early access.

All the information is there for an educated decision. It's not about whether this is correct behavior or not. No one is being forced, it's everyone's personal opinion and decision whether it's worth his money or not.

This fact alone makes it actually a pointless discussion.

Stop feeding the trolls guys - we have been over this discussion a million times already.

Was.
And it wasn't related to the beta price VS "release" price.
So, even if I agree with you, it doesn't change what I'm saying.
The store page doesn't state the the price is higher for less.

Well, if in your opinion it's okay to mislead people into thinking they buy something at a good price, good for you.

But I tend to say that retaining information that can factor in a decision is a bad thing.
Again, you can disagree with me, but I could argue quite easily that my point of view is the moral one.