Shammas' Competitive MNC Guide (11/18/13)

You're right. Ignore most of what i said. I realise now.

Edit: Not cause of Toon, never cause of Toon.

It was because of Toon and we all know it, fuckstick.

Is this toon or somdin

Mind your own ******* buisness.

HA okay budy

The thing is that you can't really teach situational awareness, but having a better general understanding of the game will nurture and help that to grow. If you can think of any specific examples of what type of play should be made when, I'd love to give my insight on the matter.

And Scratchy, you shouldn't change your playstyle to adjust to your teammates not doing their job, that just creates bad habits. Keep doing your job and they'll eventually keep up.

Lastly, just a big thing I've noticed in PMs lately. COMMUNICATE! Literally everything important. If bots get close to your ball, call it out even if you're going to kill them. Remember Murphy's law and expect it in a game where lag plays a big part. If you're juicing, say so before you do it (this is huge and all too common). Make small talk and stay focused.

On the communication aspect I think it depends on the party that your in. If I am in a party where me and my team mates will have a good time regardless I couldn't bother calling out anything other than a black jack on the moon. And those parties where I know that I will have a good time in I know their play styles in and out and know what to expect from them and usually those lobbies turn out for the better. Having fun should be the priority in a 3 year old arcade game. Not saying that a good competitive spirit is a bad thing, it just shouldn't be the front running aspect.

Black jack on the moon... Are you drunk

No, I don't have an alt account on here.

I do think that the overall priority should of private matches should definitely be positive vibes and having fun, but at the same time we are playing under competitive rules in a game that has a rather competitive nature. Even the theme of the game is a sport, and the goal is to win. When I'm in privates I'm in competitive mode, but when we do unusual things like supports only or 5v5's or GIII, than I my mindset changes.

There has to be a balance of each. I'm definitely someone who leans more towards the competitive side than the let's **** around and have fun side. I've always been a competitive gamer, but in Monday Night Combat's case, I've waited hours to play in a lobby that lasted 30 minutes. I try to make the most out of each game because of how dumb it is to set up. Especially with these "lobby full" messages and players not connecting to each other.

I don't know why but I get more fun out of teamwork communication and try harding in a skilled and balanced lobby than I do talking **** or making small talk and getting off topic. I guess it's an accomplishing feeling.

We're sorta getting off topic at this point.


If you want to get better you have to ask questions. You have to constantly be questioning yourself on what your next move should be. In time, you'll only get better at making quick decisions as well as making the right decisions. What do you want to get better at? Do you want better twitch aim? Do you want better time on target aim? Do you find yourself doing well on bot lanes but struggle to get the ball down? Do you find yourself missing the anni when it's up?


One thing I'm on the fence about is shammas' comment regarding changing your playstyle to benefit the team. I agree and disagree to an extent. If this is your competitive team that you plan on competing with, yes you shouldn't change your playstyle if you are fulfilling your roles. Your team should form a chemistry and gel in matches. Eventually you guys have an idea on where your teammates can be at any given time.

However in private matches I find myself changing quite a bit. I even noticed shammas change his style ever so slightly, as he didn't have secure enough map control to be aggressive. Assault for me changes quite a bit depending on my gunner, as well as my sniper. I try to stick to the same theory, but I'm not going to be focusing as hard on Jump's sniper as I would be zatchmo's sniper. Or if an unexperienced gunner is on their team, I'll end up playing a mix of sniper control, support control, but maybe emphasize a little bit more on keeping tabs on the enemy assault. I'm not going to be challenging him directly, but if he's our biggest threat to our support I'll make sure I try to keep them alive.

ugh most of my posts that are long unorganized paragraphs are me trying to post at work throughout the day.

I view that more as adjusting based on how the game is playing out rather than shifting my playstyle based on my team. For example, if we're trapped in our base I'm going to shoot bots and get juice to break us out.

And I never really give 100% in MNC, I just can't take the game that seriously with the community being the way it is.

As I slowly skim this thread and read the replies I have to somewhat agree with scratchy. If ball goes down that's game. No matter what class your playing if your there and tank/assasin are dead and bots are about to get in you should take care of it. I was also wondering when sham became the best mnc player telling others how to play. We shouldve had rustclan make the guide.

no **** dumbass, nobody is arguing that

Same person that made the soopersmurf alt.

Shammas you still have to learn how to talk to your team in a way that will actually help them. All you've been doing is getting annoyed and sarcastically putting players down. "You're brainless. You're handless. You'll never be mildly successful at anything in life" Then for some reason, you claim you're just trying to help and trying to get people to improve.

After sticking Taco on Gunner for Game 3 you should have already heard him say multiple times he wanted to switch off gunner. It just makes no sense to me. He told you he doesn't claw and you just keep calling him a depressed baby and ****? Not gonna lie man he wasn't the one who sounded like a baby that game.

I'm trying to bring new players in and theres no way I'd show them what you recorded last night. Nobody would want to give it a shot if this is what they could expect.

Real, talk. Grindout is bad.

No one's going to get better by giving up, that's all I'm saying.If I'm trying to teach people and they just blatantly ignore/don't even make an effort to listen then I'm going to treat them like the idiot they're trying to be. Pian, if you can find someone smarter than me to make the guide, go for it. No one's stopping any of you from making a guide. I just figure the guide who has consistently been first pick in privates and debated as the best player for 3 years would be a good choice.

No, no. We're just saying if you stick the two worst assaults/gunners on your team as gunner and then consistently yell at them for 25 minutes all I'm going to do is laugh. If you think 1) "Dude, you f*ckin' suck" 2) "My whole team is useless" 3) "You're really terrible just kill yourself" is helping, it isn't.

I'm all for constructive criticism, heck I could use a lot of it I'm sure, but when all you do is put people down in pm's who get stuck on a class they don't want to/can't play, most of them are going to just say f*ck it and start dicking around. To be fair, like 60% of the pm player base has no desire to "improve" in a 3 year old arcade game.

All that being said, I do think you are top 3 of the people still playing this game. I still think Murky is a better sniper than you, but he lacks the ability to play the other classes you can. I'm with GC, I play privates to have fun. A year ago I would've agreed whole heartedly with you that improving was important, but this game is dying and I'd rather play it and have fun than try to play to improve and have no one want to join.

tldr: SHOTGUN THE TIDALWAVE

No one made them play assault/gunner, and class swapping was an option. If you watch the video, you'll realize that the first quarter of the game was me giving Taco tips and trying to help, only to have him reply with "I can't do it" and repeated suicides. And I try not to call people useless too often, but when that's your attitude I don't know what you expect me to reply with. You're not going to get better by getting coddled, and if you don't care about getting better then you shouldn't play private matches.
And I'm not going to be modest here. I'm the most knowlegable player in this game and can hang with anyone on any class, there's no more than 1 or 2 players who are better than me individually at a class and I bet I can play it smarter than they can. On top of that, I understand playing as a team and playing for the team better than anyone else. I think my track record speaks for itself. If I'm getting criticized by anyone at all who consistently gets picked rounds 3-6, or even 2-3 (but specifically 3-6), I question your mental capacity. If you really have no room for improvement you should be getting picked 1st every single game and winning every single game and leading your team every single game.