I've been told to ask

The boy are getting more and more worried that this game is not going to be finished for Christmas. Some have worries that it will never deliver on the galactic scale. I agree that where it is now and where we want to be are very long way apart. Played it last night and the random planet generator still doesn't work, the ai are hopeless, and it still is not getting much better in terms of performance.
How is it possible for this game engine to generate 1000's of planets?
p.s. is this software truly 64 bit

Tim.

There is no such thing as "Galactic Scale", what you're thinking of is called Galactic War and isn't what you think it is.

Mike

Yes.

People keep saying they are worried, but basically the game could be considered mostly done. Just need to revamp orbital a bit and polish the graphics. Maybe some general improvements in balance and stability.

Most other stuff could come after release, although without galactic war in place many people that like a campaign style would be disappointed. I have always been more focused on skirmish myself.

Lets see:
1. No Galactic War, seeing as this was a promised feature in the kickstarter, hard to do without on anything they call "release"
2. Half the units are still missing.
3. still no gas giants
4. orbital and interplanetary are still practically non-existent
5. Graphics are still very early stage product. HDR was a big step forward but the models themselves still need a lot of work.
6. Balancing. While a lot of this could be done post release, they need to have at least some semblance of balance at release time.
7. Planet generation is still incomplete.
8. AI still very early stage, despite recent improvements.

Probably more I'm forgetting.

Frankly, Uber would need to pull another miracle out of thin air to have this done by christmas, and frankly they are probably running out of those by now.

Neutrino has already stated that the game will be done when it is done, if they have to delay there tentative December release, then they will do that. I would rather have a late complete game than an incomplete one. Just sit tight, enjoy the beta and help Uber create that complete game.

1. I mentioned this. GW was a promised feature, but not necessarily at release. Although, as I said, it will cause problems for people expecting a campaign.
2. We were never given a list of release units. There may not be as many people expect, but all the core ones are there (except transports). What do you feel is missing?
3. Again Gas giants were not a feature necessarily promised for release.
4. Orbital is there, it just needs balance and some more transport options.
5. I like the graphics now, but I did say they need more polish.
6. Balance. Yes I said that too. It’s good enough already.
7. Planet gen - It may need some more options, but basically it’s there.
8. AI is always crappy on release and I would say the AI here is better than many other games already.


Maybe I am just a glass is half full guy ;-)

What is your Experience for that statement? As Neutrino would ask, What makes you qualified to accurately measure Uber's ability given the small amount of information we have?

Mike

A rather lengthy education in software engineering and development.

I'm aware that they have hired on a bunch on new people so their pace should accelerate, but based on their current rate of feature releases since Beta, they still got a long ways to go. Unless they got a whole lot of features just sitting in the "almost done" state and they have decided to keep quiet about all of them (not like them at all, they have always loved sharing their new toys with us) then I'd say it is more likely that we are looking at a January release.

I am well aware that they know the state of the game better than I do, I might also point out, that they have not committed to a release date, the December estimate was just that, an estimate, and nowhere have I seen someone from Uber say anything along the lines of "it will be ready in December"

Personally, I'd love it if they did manage to have a finished product by christmas. They've done some incredible things in the past and I know it is possible for them to keep doing it, but...

I'm glad you put this post here instead of general discussion. However isn't there already a mega troll thread about this topic? Think knight should maybe add a trolling section to his search list.

Alright, but still, you think everything is going into each patch? I doubt Everything they're working on is represented in the updates, just because we aren't really getting new units doesn't mean they aren't being worked on, Uber isn't paying their artists for sitting around doing nothing waiting until the game is"ready" for new units.

Point is using the Beta as a basis for judging Uber's Progress is flawed and so is any result you come away with.

Mike

You may have missed this, from October 29th.

I like'd the above.

I also think if they were going to continue c&c in ea's ever more bastardized image to compete with sc2, then it is for the best. Though maybe one day the old westwood team will make a spiritual successor to the tiberian sun esque games. I am sure Uber's experience makes them sympathetic to the cancellation though.

Anyway, down to subject, my suggestion elsewhere was, if they feel they can't finish for december, give at least the current preorders access to the unfinished game at december and extend testing and delay launch. They could even call it a new stage of testing like theda stage or something.

Well, if they don't finish the game and just release it and critics review it, they won't review it lighly and let them off that said feature isn't in yet or that the game is horribly unbalanced, it will get marked down for that, and any buyers waiting to buy the game but wanted to wait for a review just wouldn't buy it. As Uber have said before, they know what they are doing, if they need to delay it, they will. I hope that if they need to, they will because it could save the game from quite bad press. Plus the majority of my mates are waiting for the game to be finished, not released half finished.

The galatic war could 100% work right now... I just think people don't understand how it is going to work.. It will be like the TA Galatic war.

Galactic war is speculated to basically be a tournament bracket played like a board game, isn't it?

Players start, ones that win claim the space of the loser while retaining their starting space, and as thus an opponent would have to defeat both their spaces to defeat them, and this may go in a circle where players win a path and lose their trail, or even back and forth for the same space between three people.

So it is like a tournament where you can choose engagements and if you win you climb the bracket but to completely lose you have to be beaten back down every stage of the bracket until you lose the bottom space.

Or...

Just google the Total Annihilation Galatic war..

Still using the duncane mod with sorian2.1.1 much respect.

Nah I'm expecting a lot more.

Then you'll be disappointed by your own imaginary Expectations.

Mike

It was maintained since the kickstarter that Galactic war was going to be much like TA galactic war. If you have any sources that indicate otherwise please share, but I have only seen devs talk about galactic war in terms of a metagame.