Planes without atmosphere?

Am I the only one wondering how the aerial units work on moon-type worlds where there is no atmosphere? Seems like it would be better if air were unavailable in those environments. We don't have naval on planets with no water! And it would help vary the game up a little more...

I would like that, but again, its all about balance.

Why would they need the atmosphere to work?

Wings need lift do they not?

I agree would be pretty cool to remove air units on planets without atmosphere. If you think about it, the air layer on a moon is basically just a lower altitude orbital layer. In that case, why can't they interact?

I was under the impression that they are placeholder units.

and? a space shuttle has wings sure .. but it does proppel intself through space via jets ...
so theoreticly every plane that has jets could travel through space..
i could imagine that for planes similar to harriars or the F22 those have also jets to manuever around

thing is though this is not a realistic game ... semirealistic at best since it uses mechanics based on realism

I have no idea, but doesnt a space shuttle has wings so it can reenter into the atmosphere and land like a plane?
That's why pure rockets dont have wings. They never come back like that.
So if you're argumenting with "we have super high tech stuff to fly that doesnt need air", then why do you even need wings at all? Wouldnt anti-gravity driven planes be formed like ... boxes maybe? Like tanks?
Would look ugly though xD

the perfect shape for antigrav-non aerodynamically flying spacecraft would be a sphere

wrong, as airplane jets are air breathing, while vacuum engines need to carry their oxidator

that´s the point...
they actulay don´t need wings if they would stay in space ...

seems like we got us a perry rodan here ^^

so what if those planes WOULD carry an additional oxidator with them
wouldn´t that work?

I think restricting planes on atmosphere-less planets would be an interesting dynamic. This only makes sense, of course, if they act like planes to begin with. In cases of takeoff and landing, they do not act wing dependent.

Then again, kryovow makes a good point in that the engines wouldn't be space compatible.

Well technically we are playing with robots that use advanced future technology and are able to travel planets relatively easily. You'd think they overcame the atmosphere problem

actually Ive been reading Perry Rhodan for a year now but aside from that, a sphere simply has the best volume/surface ratio which is good in space. Like penguins, they get bigger the colder the environment they live in

Planes who carry oxidator would not be feasible in an atmosphere, as they would be too heavy.

It would be an interesting mechanic to only have ground based units on the moon.

it would. And orbital of course. They said in the last livestream, that they would add more special units. One kind of special unit could be a "air layer" vehicle that doesnt need air. ^^

Technically speaking, a unit doesn't need wings to fly, and a unit with wings could still 'fly' in space, it all comes down to having enough thrust.

Mike

how much heavier would be liquid oxigen and hydrogen be compared to the standart fuel those planes use
it wouldn´t be entirely impossble though, would it? or did i understand something wrong?

hence the spaceshuttle example
but what with stuff like harriers ... could their engines be adapted to flight in space and atmosphere?

Gunships would make the most sense in a airless environment, because they don't maneuver with wings like normal planes.

Planes that can work in an airless environment would be more like rockets, and would turn like rockets do, due to having no working wings.

It would essentially be just like orbital at that point.

Not the engines themselves, but the overall idea behind harriers yes.

Considering the current state of orbital you couldn't tell them apart.....

Mike

That was bitter, but understandable.