A question about fairness

I don't think fairness really comes into anything, Its Hobsons choice. Your own desire to own the game can't be blamed on the Devs, likewise you can't blame anyone but yourself for blowing 90 bucks on it.

And adding to the above (SatanPetitCul, just in case I get ninja'd...) post, If you were happy buying the game at the stated price, why do you care what your supposed friends think of that? Do they make all of your purchasing decisions for you? I spent quite a lot of money on this game, and my friends know this, but I wouldn't dream of telling them how much, as it is none of their business.

I earn my money.
I spend my money.
If other people disagree with my purchases, then they can feel free to give me THEIR money to spend.

I really like your philosophy. It makes too much sense.

Thank you, kind sir...

1. No one asked you about if this is a trollpost or not. So "your comment is invalid"
2. You missed the topic
3. You're a troller for trolling other ppls posts?

Please don't post childish posts like "Troll" because this brings us to nowhere. If you got an opinion so post it here and say what you think is fair or not. But to judge someone you don't know and you don't start thinking out of the Box you won't see the true colors about this post. Get a look on some other forums. Ask them what they think about this and you'll get fast an answer.

As I said, i'd like to support UBER to get an awsome game but do not forget that there are a lot of ppl not understanding why they would have to pay so much money to get only a half finished game and even help to find bugs and other things. The old generation of gamer would say "Alpha ... so you want me to help, so pay me" and not to pay to even play Alpha. You know what I mean? If you don't, do not reply to this post. If you do, so write your opinion in a friendly and constructive way.

I know I've also written that some of the ppl I know find it totaly stupid to pay so much for Alpha and I said to them "I don't care" but do you think they're the only one saying this?

Mind your words before posting and help also others finding an answer. You can post something like "I find it fair, because I gave my money to support and not to request more", ok?

Thank you for reading

PS: Have you seen how much uproar this post caused?? http://steamcommunity.com/app/233250/discussions/0/864970667912434855/

So @overcarleone, now that you've read all these explanations, what are your thoughts?

I came to this answer: I want to support them because it's a great team and I think they can do something big. So I believe in them. I don't mind paying more. It's like I would pay 50$ for a "thank you" card for the **** Figures Movie. There will be allways some ppl not understanding why someone would do that but I don't care anymore.

So now I'm going to play some rounds again ... didn't lose any game til now ... and have also to repport some bugs if they didn't get reported allready.

See ya

Traditionally, they don't. Alphas and betas are usually free to people outside the developing organization, as a way to supplement their internal QA effort, with the reward only being having seen the product early and perhaps a free copy at release.

It's really quite peculiar to see people treat alpha & beta access as a privilege worth paying extra money for.

Personaly i think price is high, when i look at a game such as "Kerbal Space Program" who started with a cheap price.

so for this price to be fair in anyway. i hope they get 10/10 ratings when it comes out.
if PA ends op a low end game with players supporting it like this...... or 8/10 or lower in rating.

it would be a slap in the face for everyone.

Why does it seem like it's so difficult for people to make an accurate comparison when trying to prove their point?

Your logic in this regard is flawed. A Game's Quality is not directly correlated with Bugdet, or even with the cost of the game(at ANY Stage of development).

Mike

we can't speak to you guys, you guys don't get this isn't just another game. You can't fathom the amount of fanservice this represents, the technical complexity of TA/supcom fan's wishes, the amount of work that has to go into making them come true. And how much marketing (marketing : selling to every last living soul on planet earth) comes last in this kind of situation (a first-timer situation).

Steam Pa forum is a pile of nonsense with 99% of the subjects containing the number 90. screw steam community. all they have to bring to the table is how young and clueless they are.

What I mean is some people can't find it in them to apreciate what they have before them. Others will... and then they follow the lead and repeat that it's great. just like they repeat it sucks. They concretely have no idea at all. They've been following the heard for too long, when all it would take was a minute to stop and take it all in.

There has NEVER been a 64bit game. not many multi-core ones. VERY FEW cross-OS games that went all the way to the three families (Windows, Mac, Linux). It has never EVER been done before to put an RTS on a sphere. Let alone a sphere rotating around another sphere that is rotating around another on a variable physics axis modeled by each bodie's gravity with the possibility that bodies smash into each other, again with physics, where you create back holes, where you have death stars and lava planets all with the gooddies from flowing economy and near-limitless armies with simulated projectiles. This is no arcade. This is big man's buisness.

I think I know what you mean with what you've written here and I think you're right.

I still have to disagree with the "screw steam community" because you have to know, only having the fans as support won't bring this game to the top. Do you know why? It's a "Kickstarter project" ... they don't have the same amount of money when SP was done or even another game. They had to start from zero.

Now let me ask you, would you be able to let a company grow just with the support of your friends and fans. (If you have some) I don't think anyone would be able and I think they're realy interested what the steam community has to say. By communicating with them they will also get a good PR. So be helpfull and help the ppl to understand and not to take them into groups of "non-supporter", "hater" or even "idiots".

To say something constructive, I think the Steam community doesn't understand why to support a company of gamedevelopers to just get a "thank you" instead of some extras for the extra payed money. It's ok to give money to support someone and it's ok for the most of the early buyer. (If the buyer has read the info about the price going down with every stage of development)

So don't say "Screw Steam Community" but explain them why they should support the DEVS instead.

THEY DO GET EXTRAS

you get to shape the game! shape it! here! on this forum! if that's still not enough for you what part of "alpha does not concern people who are only interested in playing" do you not get?

STOP RANDOMLY THROWING YOUR MONEY AT THINGS


what is this disease where people have to get everything right now if they can get those things right now, they can't wait. Sometimes the fact that you can get something right away means there are some drawbacks.... namely the game is not finished. It is being made. it is in it's first itterations.

It makes so much sence to me that the policy was the sooner you get in the more you pay, even more so now. As this strategy would weed out the people who are looking for a "game" and who can't see the word "alpha" but can see the price tag, in a neat gradient. I hate that this backfired and we wound up with people that still bought it even though they're in this case of just expecting "a game" and then afterwards are unhappy about something chimeric, that is actually that they realise now that they could have waited and are finally up to it but it's too late.

Blame the industry for constantly lying to you all the time with their so called "open betas" and "open alpha's", I call bull. they coded some random playable bugs, it's the finished product. Those are "demos" remember when we used to have "demos"? a whole bunch of them piled on a gamer's magazine CD? those were neat consumer bait. now it's really much more lowly "hey it's flawed so, for your expense and trouble we're letting you try this beta free, we even thought about paying you to do it, we thought about it, it's the intention that counts right?".

Meet honest alpha. "we still don't have enough cash to get to the end of the road and you're getting our build, as hot off the press as can be".

Well if all those "people" have their own opinion on how to make accurate comparisons then maybe it is you who is finding something difficult.

Enough bubbles spewed...

Well yes in regards to other games.
but i think when you start out with this kind of price level, then Budget and Game Quality will be closely related.

Unless the money is going into coffee and pizza

It is my opinion. as flawed as it may be.

Well at this stage all I can hope for is a Dev to comment on this.

Mike

you really don't see?