The Politics Thread (PLAY NICELY!)

hum interesting. this is actually a good explenation of why a good majority of French have stated a refusal to vote (and possibly a revolution) if the finals end up being Fillon vs. LePen or Macron vs. Le Pen. the "voting for a lesser evil" thing is something that's been happening in france for a much longer time and has got people much much more fed up.

that being said your dems are nowhere near as bad as our right. and at least you get dem vs rep not right vs right

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Bill wasn't a bad politician, and I could care less about his personal or civil life (much like Trump), but the dems haven't been great since we've had a surplus. Which Obama never accomplished, may I add.

well that's not at all biased : the world is:


I though France and Europe were in deep deep red in your opinion? make up your mind.

no we're actually (for the socialists and the socialist are currently in power) far far in the green

that Jeff Sessions bit is the best : "Marijuana is not something to laugh about" ....what a poor choice of words xD

Looking at the rest of that chart (taken from the source already validated by most everyone here prior, you can't blame it or me for that), I disagree France is further left than Denmark or Sweden. I'd say Denmark or Sweden are the only ones red. Germany and France are center. UK is slightly right, the US left is no further left than the UK right. That's just the situation. UK has universal healthcare, don't it? We sure as **** don't.

The marijuana thing was proposed by Trump to return to "states' rights" as should be via the 10th amendment. That would easily be an ACTUAL lapse of a campaign promise, and really that's his misfortune should he let it happen, because he needs all the support he could get to make 4 years into 8.

no it's health care has been more and more privatized over the years and as such has become much less universal. french health care is night and day by comparison.

On that alone plus our differing stances on Europe France is far more left and libertarian then UK is. of course that is current powers. if you're to take into account current events Le Pen and her far right are of course making france's gross mean much more center. but those aren't quantifiable metrics.

You know why Flynn asks for immunity? Welp, why don't you check the pecking order of privilege again? He's male, and slightly less rich/powerful than the rest of the administration. He's the fall guy, of course he's going to ask for immunity, because he's probably going to be (the only one) executed for treason as the whole nation chants in joy. That's pretty ****ed up if you ask me.

If he doesn't get immunity, they could find nothing but a subsequent bureaucratic violation, and he could STILL be executed or imprisoned over it, as we've all witnessed during the Obama administration to any (male) caught with minor communications infractions.

Why am I salty over this? Well, since all that wife-beating **** at the top of last page is satire, the only ones really getting grabbed by the p****es, are the ones with schlongs. Feel free to validate it for yourselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...iticians_convicted_of_crimes#Executive_branch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...al_officials_convicted_of_corruption_offenses

How can we do things differently? Well, if you want to investigate Russian Election Interference, what you do is look up the ties. Did they purchase advertisements? Did they hack the Soros ballet machines (doubtful)? When they did an investigation into one state Stein requested a recount (Indiana or Michigan, I forget), they found the numbers miscounted in Trump's favor, didn't adjust the numbers afterward, just declined any further recount. I'd really like a good clean investigation, not a hypothetical one where they can't find anything but they question and prosecute someone just for political theater. "Finding something negligible" was good and well enough when it was Benghazi, but not the election? One killed people, the other is trying to incite charges over ties to another country, when the only candidate without ties to any other country, was likey, as you may guess I'd say, Gary Johnson.

(yes we all know why jesus... ~_~')

you're mentioning the thrown under the bus thing I brought up earlier to DEFEND trump?

I mean in light of the context I have no real issue with his request the man already has personal experience with the Trump-Bus so this is where this is all coming from (experience as opposed to intelligence).

it's just it's unrealistic. he's probably not gonna get it and if he is going through this whole negotiation it's also because his testimony could shred all doubt as to direct links Trump-Russia and trump could no longer play the "blame it on ..." card.

again I don't really care either way I just want whatever he has to say to come out.

Are you going to promise right now, that you're not going to make a "investigation into foreign policy cooperation with Russia", into a "Russia installed Trump and there was no real 'election' and nobody voted and the results were fake"?

Because there was an election, I don't know how you propose Russia "held a gun to someone's head and forced them to vote" Trump. People, went to the polls and voted Trump. Your opinion on the matter, is not an override to the Electoral College, you may hate someone but if they're elected then they're elected.

If Russia did hack the voting machines, then considering the voting machine manufacturer and operator, I sincerely doubt it was Trump, and I don't see otherwise how Russia "influenced" the results, did they make up Benghazi and the rape trial decades in advance to sabotage the political rival? How do they "influence" an election's outcome in a way inconsistent to "people placed a vote for president"?

I'm calling it now, Flynn is going to confirm communication into foreign policy, it's going to somehow be a conflict of interest, it's going to be spun into a treason trial, and you're going to say Russia installed and rigged every republican president and senator election since the 80s somehow. That's just how you roll.

Btw, I don't see why consistency isn't taken to practice, when democrats have various proven ties to various foreign governments, such as the Saudis, China, and also Russia. Sadly, the last best foreign relations with Mexico, was with Bush, wasn't it? That sounds almost wrong, I was young during a Bush presidency, there was a lot wrong with that administration, but I distinctly remember various friendly relations with Vicente Fox iirc?

as unlikely as you might find me saying this : yes.

I consider fuckk ups (at least in the adult world everyone evidently lied to me about but If your all going to lie to me I'll have you stand by what you said) to be something you prevent not something you constantly do then clean up after.

This explains me quite completely I think. I'm sure you'll notice I was a lot more pro-active in this thread before he got elected.

Trumps is in. he'll pull in his four years and everyone (me, you, everyone) dissevers getting Trump unforgivably smeared in their faces. Unforgivably.

No one gets off. noone gets the benefit of the doubt. you're all adults. deal with the consequences of your actions. deal with em entirely. 100%. because if you do any part of that process half assed then you can consider the learning process for it never begun at all in the first place and never took place.

I'm not gonna call for Trump to be impeached. I'm gonna let the so called "functional" political system take it's course and let him run his term. and ...hopefully.... with enough Trump smeared in everyone's faces. noone will see the benefit in re-electing him even over a rock ...or a dog.

now that's outta the way back to your scheduled daily smearing-in-the-face-of-Trumpness : any comment on trump delegating 700% of his workload to his son-in-law? (700% as per it's unrealism)

here's a list of jared kushner's new trump-mandated work :

• overseeing fight against isis
• planning chinese president visit
• brokering peace in the middle east
• reform the criminal justice system
• in change of office of american innovation
• reforming veteran care
• tackling opioid epidemic
• revamping the entire federal government

also turkey is basically voting on whether or not to give erdogan full dictator powers right now

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ion-reviewing-extreme-vetting-policies-report

If they really were to do demand any visitor to the US to surrender passwords and let them snoop in private information as they please, would that not sort of kill any tourism?

I mean who would want to visit such a place?

Is there any other not-dictatorship country that demands such things from visitors?

ugh this can't be legit. Big Brother is that you?

@thetrophysystem I think this is what you've needed on the whole Comedy Central Last Week Tonight Late show ect.


now it makes more sense

In case you're wondering if I keep updated on any functioning libertarian-party news and media, I do. This seemed pretty interesting. If you didn't know, Libertarian has a left-right span that collaborates yet proposes vastly different methods of operation and stances. This branch, sounds pretty fed up about frivolous libel lawsuit out-of-court settlements and another branch of libertarians that would cop out under the pressure of one.

https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/784476695048519

From what I understand, Libertarian is actually pretty successful in various places. Social-democracy could have been pretty successful as a part of the already established left, had they let it.

Meanwhile, isn't Germany starting to threaten fines for social media sites for not removing hate speech or fake news?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39506114

It really depends on how it's enforced, Canada has been (mostly) tasteful in how it censors, but you allot that power and someone else comes in and takes it for a joyride, and that's all it takes for a massive abuse of power. Which is why censorship is generally dangerous.

Can I, if I wanted to, have a non-mainstream opinion of Marriage or Transgenders? Can I talk bad about the German president? If it's on a multinational site like Facebook, can one country really force them to remove content from other countries because it's accessible in their country?

It'd set a precedence, if Facebook and other social media sites, immediately blocked Germany. They can definitely do it, it'd be within their reason to do so if they're terms and post content restrictions do not meet Germany's legal requirement and the burden of responsibility fall onto them. They don't operate in North Korea either, it's entirely fair not to operate in a country, if the country lacks basic liberties for their citizens to freely communicate, and it sounds like Germany would meet that requirement if they started enforcing it that way.

As petty as it would be, all it would take, to get support to reinstate the individual liberties, is to deny a common modern web service to them, while every other modern country continues to participate and enjoy it.

To be consistent, maybe they should do the same to America. Either that, or use intentional server manipulation, to spoof traffic collection of ISPs.

ELABORATION: They also specifically reference YouTube in the article. We already know how gods-damned severe their censorship is. You use the word "lame" or "fire-retardant", and they ban your account until the year 9999 for ignorant hate-speech against the mentally-disabled. YouTube is censorship on an assanine whim, it's ****, and it's quite frankly encouraging people to create other web services to compete with them sans the censorship.

It makes me throw up, hearing them praise YouTube's diligent censorship blocking 99% of hate speech. They don't just block 99% of hate speech, they block literally anyone's opinion unless it's feminist. Want feminist media, it's at liberty there. Any other opinions need not apply. 3WF can have pretty extreme followers, were it any other opinion against immigrants, women, muslims, or otherwise, it'd be hate speech, but since it's against men or christians, it's "progressive social advancement". Kay...

@thetrophysystem a more constructive video :