The Politics Thread (PLAY NICELY!)

How many assumptions are you going to make about other people? I'm not a trump lover, but i'm certainly loving pointing out all the flawed arguments made by enraged nevertrump drones. I could name several problems with Trump's travel plan, the wall, his cabinet, his economic policy, his military intervention in yemen. But then i look over at the crazy 'liberals' and they are just shooting randomly and missing the target completely over and over again. You are the reason trump is a winner.

Most of you are so economically illiterate and crying about silly things you won't even realise that when Trump slaps a tariff on Mexico to pay for the wall, american consumers are going to be the ones actually paying the cost. Nah, instead you're going to cry about muh brown people, mass deportations, 'literally hitler' etc. when you can't even see two steps infront of you.

No, instead of making rational arguments and furthering the discourse, all we get is a factory of liberal outrage producing horse dung designed not to convince anyone but simply to hold onto your reality denying narrative in order to make yourselves feel nice and fuzzy. Hint: this is called avoiding cognitive dissonance - the twisting of reality to your narrative when it doesn't fit.

Point in case, look at this retarded comic making the rounds in liberal circles. To think this is supposed to be an argument against trump's travel ban. Madness is the only word to describe all this.

I said earlier, did not vote for jackass, was glad he won because was ruing Hillary, for real reasons. Now, Obamacare is done for, all I care about, again, for real reasons, for having lived under it. Did vote for not-jackass Gary Johnson. He had pretty damned new and fashionable ideas. I was always hoping the wall thing would just never happen, but he did make people happy he was "keeping promises". I still wish the wall was a metaphor, it's a stupid idea, even as a metaphor.

Gary was no jackass, but he was still an asshat.

Elaborate.

I don't really get why every last word and action of trump's is in such dire need of defense/elaboration from you. as a matter of fact ask yourself : "why?"

we don't have any problem with Americans paying for the wall (or with the idea of mexicans paying for it since euphemism or not it's just plain untrue). we just think the wall is dumb.

I don't think you get the comic there...

it's just simple irony. It's pretty funny if you know your history.

all-republican debate to give you guys a little leeway : (even includes your Sheppardess : Tomi Lahren )

You yourself are quite deeply fixed on your own believes as well, aren't you?
You seem so damn sure you know what you're talking about, what gives you the feeling of being in the right so much?
From my viewpoint we've disagreed on so fundamental things (the most extreme probably watching the same speech of Trump and presenting vastly different interpretations of what he said) that at best we both now can't be quite sure of our views anymore.
On what basis do you claim that you are not affected by the flaws you point out in others?

To me you seem like a person who watched/read too much from a certain group of extremely liberal thinkers who are "high up somewhere" in the realm of extreme libertarian circles, having influenced you massively into certain views by them and having developed a quite extreme self confidence about these views, as seeing many "big names" confirm your views again and again tends to do that.

If you claim that the reason Trump won is because of blind liberals who don't know how to argue you probably are partly right. But partly Trump then also won because people like you, who, knowing how to "correctly" argue against Trump, decided to instead demolish "crazy 'liberals'".

If you talk like a penguin, walk like a penguin, and only engage in arguments with polar bears, I'm going to assume you're a penguin.

Also I find it hilarious you consider someone who isn't from the US, who isn't even a liberal (I'm what you would call worse than that, I guess), "the reason Trump is a winner".

No, elodea, it's people like you. People who spend hours on forums to convince others that they're stupid, or that they suffer from cognitive dissonance, or that deriving some small measure of amusement from a comic that I've not personally seen til you shown it (so much for "liberal circles", eh). People who do everything they can to mock opponents of Trump, of the GOP and generally the Republican establishment.

What do you think you're achieving? Dismissing outrage of a "factory of liberal outrage-producing horse dung"? What if the outrage is legitimate?

But of course, you couldn't begin to perceive that, because otherwise the constructed beliefs that you hold would begin to falter, and you'd get either increasingly angry or increasing entrenched in conversative (or "libertarian", given the sheer amount of overlap) viewpoints.

It's a thing called "cognitive dissonance", you might have heard of it

I have to be a liberal, for your rhetoric to make sense.
I have to by a voting factor in Trump's win, for your rhetoric to make sense.
I have to know about some comic I didn't even bother to read because it was taking up too much page space, for your rhetoric to make sense.

And yet, none of these things are true. The only outrage factory here is you, elodea.

You do realise you keep replying to things I didn't ask you, right?

But what a surprise; you oppose the Affordable Care Act. And you talk of equality? Get out of here

that´s assuming you and many others in this thread don´t suffer from cognitive dissonance themselfes and generaly pointing that out still is as unhelpfull as someone posting memes ..
may as well directly go for adhominems ..

right? it´s not like greece ain´t already flooded with refugees and threatened to collapse with the ton of problems it already has ... oh wait ...

yea thx europe AND USA ...

oh yea trump also apearantly wants to revoke the measures used after what caused the finacial crisis .. so cool we may get yet ANOTHER one ...

So because the sun will roast us anyway in a few billion years we clearly should not worry such much.

Made my day.

Make Nihilists Great Again.

The climate thing? Well, first off, scientist have factually no measurable precise way, due to numerous unaccountable variables, to measure "global warming" by pollution per cubic inch. At times, it does seem like nature does whatever the hell it wants. A lot of actual scientists believe nature emits most of it's own carbon, and a lot of actual scientists believe nature handles carbon and still have wild dips in temperature on it's own (as in, higher and lower, since before humans existed).

Second off, he's libertarian, so he's not exactly for government enforcement over what you eat for breakfast that morning. That's f̶a̶s̶c̶i̶s̶t̶ liberal. He's also not an anarchist, obviously prosecution of murder and such are good applications of government. On that note, pollution that affects quality of human life, would obviously be regulated, blatant pollution would be illegal. Carbon emissions are already more efficient today, than they are in China, and than they were in the industrial 90s, they don't need about 17 more regulations to help you sleep at night, if you can't sleep at night with the existing ones, might I recommend melatonin?

Out-of-control government authority is so great, until you establish it with one president who bans travel to Iraq in 2011, and then give it to another certain not-my-president next term and throw him under the bus for using the previous president's authority.

I love how that's purposefully tailored to sound dismissive while not directly stating global warming is bullshit.

I think the debate over 'if global warming is bullshit or not' is a moot point. The principals of moving forward with cleaner technologies, reducing air / water pollution and not using up every natural resource at the fastest rate possible is just common sense. Even if there is no man made CO2 based global warming there are plenty of other very real pollution problems that are proven fact. The whole warming debate was just the issue that caught the politicians / public's eye.

I more saw it as a name for the whole thing. like instead of saying "pollution is a problem"

But you see, cdrkf is right. It's not "global warming", it is pollution. If you're worried about 120 degree temperatures worldwide and flooding, because of pollution, then you're scientifically riding a farfetched hypothesis. The hole in the Ozone layer took serious newbie-pollution from human-kind who didn't know any better, and it will likely never get that bad from an already-developed nation ever again anyway, due to new technology being better with a smaller footprint.

China pollutes more, and even they don't pollute as much as what once was. It simply isn't going to happen again. As China has shown in very real time, no scientific guestimations, humanity has the most to fear of pollution suffocating us all, than we do of pollution cooking the climate.

Regulations, are adequate. Libertarians aren't anarchist, but we really do need to make the people's government, simple enough for most people to follow. Otherwise, we're an oppressive government, who keeps our people under-foot with laws. Want to make your own alcohol? Too bad, prison. Want to start a business on a residential property, or vice versa? Too bad, prison. Want to build a structure on your own? Too bad, prison. Want to raise animals? Too bad, prison. Most of these are various local ordinances, but it is ridiculous they are common in more places than they are not. It's "Homeowner's Association" levels of actual fascism, if you're not their pal or bribing them, they'll shut you down and jail your arse.

Anyway, just another quick note, that voter suppression works both ways, as the preliminary election guesses have shown, when they predicted Hillary to win in a landslide, only to fail to realize they were not counting elderly voters not on "social media", or voters who felt threatened by vandalism to openly express their candidate of choice.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...earing-trump-maga-hat-schools-suspends-video/

x'D you think I don't have the gut to stand behind global warming?

it's not a theory it's confirmed fact.