The Politics Thread (PLAY NICELY!)

True.

While I still find it staggering anybody would need that long to realize that Trump might not keep his word, there are so many examples of him changing his views and then claiming he never had any other view..., but that's nice

You certainly made me think about how much social state is the best and how the issues that come with it can affect people to not see the value, making me wonder how exactly a social state would need to work to prevent the issues that you point out.

It's the typical difference between making wild promises and actually being president. You can't just do whatever you want, no matter how powerful your position is. Rules for Rulers springs to mind.

Makes one wonder just how much he must have been afraid of President Trump becoming a reality.

Everything else leads out of democracy.

Wildly throwing those statements at all of Trumps supporters probably is indeed a bad idea. However Trump himself DOES actively appeal to those things. I mean the man did not even reject supportive words from the KKK. He rather took votes from them then to make clear that he does not support the KKK.

Economic problems often do result in xenophobic tendencies being developed. People lose their jobs and see how Mexicans still have jobs and add 1+1, resulting in "Mexicans out!".
Trump fully aimed at such people by going all "make Americas economy great again" and at the same time "throw all those foreign elements out of our country".

Free speech is fine and well, but there is such a thing as hate speech and discrimination and those things are very dangerous and come in forms that you don't seem to fully honor.
When you have a person speak for 2:30 and explain how half the world is "not a friend" and how certain listed countries send "only their worst, their criminals" then a half sentence "sure there are also some good people in those countries" is NOT enough.
That's way down a road you don't want to go down. Too many actually racist people will hear this and not put as much value as you do into this one sentence. Especially since Americans will not look at Mexicans in Mexico, but they'll look at their Mexican neighbors and think "They're here, so by Trump logic they're the bad Mexicans", leading to effective racism.
There is a line that free speech may not cross. It's just a very hard problem to judge were it is, as obviously free speech is an incredibly valuable and important thing as well. Should Trump be allowed to make such speeches? Yes. Should it be viewed in the light of potential racism and displayed with a clarifying "you're looking at potentially racist thoughts"? Oh yes.

The USA sure is a weird place. From my perspective mostly a right-wing circle jerk. No real left there to speak of.
They don't even know what a real left would be like. "safe spaces" and feeling "triggered" from practically everything is ridiculous, certainly not a left concept. Makes me thing of rights who have adopted a few twisted left values into their policy.

If you make Trump the figure head of your radical libertarian thought you will suffer lots of credibility loss over the next 4 years, as Trump will give all the good stuff to the rich and screw over the poor. He might have promised tax reductions for everyone, but the compromise he'll find with the congress will end with massive tax reductions for the top 1% and not much else.

Same principle that people got angry at the democratic "left" in the US.

That indeed is ridiculous.

Maybe you'd have stayed in the EU that way.

https://us5.proxysite.com/process.p...MdJOjQXi39xppqhnWeZj9aTBEi3aWIT&b=1&f=norefer

It sure is weird that they suddenly are not available anymore in Germany as well.
Good episode though.

honestly even republicans should watch it. if only for the "**** 2016" part.

What made you think Trump was libertarian? Yes he's for deregulation and lower taxes, but he's also for tariffs and other types of protectionist minded tax policy - 'America First'. I don't know why you think he's going to give all the good stuff to the rich when the rich have nothing to give him either. The rich can't give popular fame (yes he does care about his ego). Money certainly is not his driving motivation - if it was, he would have stayed in private business.

Trump not taking salary
http://guardian.ng/news/trump-to-forgo-salary-as-us-president/

Trump on student debt caps
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-laid-out-a-pretty-radical-student-debt-plan/

Anyway, you misunderstood me. People who are horrified that trump became the president are starting to find libertarian ideas of limited government more attractive (surprise surprise). A lot of liberals who looked the other way when Obama expanded executive powers are now not so happy about the legacy he has left for Trump aka 'literally hitler'.

Well if Trump manage a bunch of actually good things that's great.
It was clear from the start that he is in this for the fame either way. Maybe he is actually right now realizing that some of his proposals would make him go down in history as "the idiot of a president who ruined everything" and he is rethinking what he should actually do to be remembered in the positive light he wants to be seen in. Who knows. He might also be plotting world domination right now. Based on his election campaign it's impossible to tell.
Now that he won all the Americans, and the rest of the world, can do is hope he does, drink tea and wait.

This makes sense. Although I think that is mainly about the NSA stuff and I think we both agree that that stuff is ridiculous and should've never been started

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ab6Y8d8_460sv.mp4

It's telling how many of these folks from Europe have had their scales skewed by the socialist leeches in their governments. Best I can see, trump is a moderate, clinton is mid left, and Bernie is about 3/4 of the way to being batshit crazy.

Its actually quite sad. Europe could be a powerhouse of ingenuity and economic wealth to rival the united States, but instead they use their power to leech from the highest common denominator.

Socialist leeches in Western Europe? If there's anyone batshit crazy here, it's you.

yeah maybe they should do a screeningcheck on him before letting him fly that plane ..

I can only wonder what the Trump supporters would have done when he lost. Maybe it's better this way. Hopefully people will start to calm down on both sides. Let reason come back again, cause damn that whole campaign on both sides was very very cringeworthy.

I see leeches on every side of the political spectrum. And I truly understand why people are angry with politics, doubt that voting Trump in will solve anything at all.
I'm still grateful I'm born in the humane EU and not in the wild west of US.

People get riled up way too much on all this things.

If anything this thread has taught me that there is a portion of the US that has taken very heavy damage from cold war anti socialism propaganda.

But sure we all have our scales skewed by the society we grow up in. Neither you nor me could really prevent that from happening to us.

yes of all terms that one is the first that springs to my mind when I hear "Trump"

He's literally flying it now, there is no turning back.

By the way, the co-pilot is Pence. You'll likely be wanting Trump to have both hands on the wheel at ALL TIMES for this ride. His Vice President gets the wheel, he might do all the deplorable act people accuse Trump of, and then minorities and LGBT become cargo rather than passengers. I legitimately think it's like a dead-man's switch, with it, nobody'll be stupid enough to end his term prematurely.

Friend linked me this earlier, can't believe I havn't seen it before.

Hillary Clinton proposes to build a "barrier" to stop illegal immigrants. lmfao

Did you watch more than the start? 1000% better than Trump. Not optimal, but by far the lesser evil.

That's racist. You can't tell a demographic of people your country is better than theirs like that.

Nah, I'm just kidding, your nationalist, you only have one view of the world, and it's yours. You don't have a view of our world like you think you do, we have problems, but you only get the news, and the news only broadcasts shootings because that's what gets network ratings. It's silly people would call other people who are trying to be nationalist "racists", isn't it? What if you were oppressed and heckled for having that opinion by your country's liberals?
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Here's some of that "cold war anti-socialism" propaganda,

PRC: 65 million
NAZI: 60 million
USSR: 20 million
Cambodia: 2 million
North Korea: 2 million + (??)
North Korea: 2 million
Ethiopia: 1.7 million
Afghanistan: 1.5 million
Eastern Bloc: 1 million
Vietnam: 1 million
Latin America: 150 thousand

I didn't know Jefferson was just an ignorant, racist, paranoid, red neck with a gun fetish.

Is it really that hard to see the difference between "we need a wall, mexico sends us so many criminals, deport them all! Millions of deportations now!" and "we need to secure our border, but deporting 11 million people is unrealistic"?

You trying to link the crimes of dictatorships of the past to social security is a pretty good example of pretty bad propaganda damage

Thing is here in Germany everyone is forced to pay like 20€/month for public television. While I hate the fact they use that money for all sorts of things, one of the things it does it provides pretty independent news that also do not care about network ratings at all.

Also the sole fact that your country produces enough new shootings every week that there can be news about them is at least not a good sign