The Politics Thread (PLAY NICELY!)

It wasn't compromise to begin with. I'd love for it to be though. We have one side saying guns for nobody but the police who have a bad habit of shooting minorities. We have another side saying guns for all. We can't get them both to agree, training and registration for guns, and then full gun rights including public carry. Thus, we all fight, and it's garbage. Tough luck I suppose.

In the end, all I heard was...

Really?
War with Russia, the most relevant contending superpower, less insane than a wall.
M8.

Better would be

War with Russia just isn't gonna happen. What the fluck are you gonna be fighting over? Uzbekistan?

Climate change is happening and Trump thinks China made it up.

Also this is a guy that openly admits to wanting to commit war crimes.

I think it's time to stop pretending that climate change can be beaten.
It's too late. Climate change has won.
Why do you think so many people are focusing efforts on interplanetary colonization? It's because we can't stop it anymore, Earth is 100% fucked. We had fifty years to beat it and we did precisely nothing, even with people at the helm who were smart enough to realize that something needed to be done.

On the topic of Russian war, with Clinton at the helm it very easily could have been war. She wanted to create a no-fly zone above Syria, which would just straight up be a violation of sovereignty first of all, and second of all would necessarily mean that any Russian bombers looking to hit ISIS targets would either need to be escorted out by American fighters, or shot down.
If Russia didn't adhere to the NFZ long enough, of course it would lead to war.

I'll believe his war crimes thing when he actually sends some troops to Syria, which no leader so far has had the balls to do because "lol we're totally not at war guys really seriously*"
*we are at war though

Whether it can be "beaten" or not is irrelevant. We need to dump fossil fuels and move to solar, wind, and nuclear. Because if we do nothing it's only going to get worse. If we get our shite together then it won't be as bad as it could be otherwise.

As much as I'd like it to be, flucking off to Mars isn't a viable plan. We're nowhere near advanced enough in technology to make that any more than a science field trip. We don't even know what the long-term effects of the lower gravity would do to a human being.

I'm not sure how US politics works, but I don't think Clinton could just magic up a no-fly zone over a country without other people being involved in that decision.

And even IF that happened, I don't know why Russia would bother messing with the US.

Trump's complete disregard for climate change is a threat to THE ENTIRE PLANET. His rhetoric is dangerous. "It's not us, it's them. It's their fault. Let's get rid of them." This is literally the exact same thing that happened in Germany 1932.

Clinton at worse would've brought in Cold War 2.

Yeah climate change denial is what I find worse about Trump, and I prefer him to Hilary in many other topics, but this one is really important.
I think humans should colonize other planets but, no matter what we do to Earth, this is going to be always the planet with the best climate so it will be easier to live here than in any other place.

Kiwi didn't you care about things like Net Neutrality? Cause Trump is also a problem for that.

This really is the problem why the US the planet is in such deep **** now: People don't hear the facts anymore. They're blind to them. I listed a whole set of facts about Trumps problem and all his supporters manage is a "but Hillary would start WW3" and a pretty picture of a snail.

it's always how it goes for me too...

you'd almost think originality isn't within their reach and that if that made them seem a little dumb their choice starts making sense to you

Well on the other side it sure also is part of the problem that there is little communication from both sides. The urge is strong, but calling all Trump voters idiots won't actually help. They voted out of spite for him, so one would need to try to understand them somehow instead of continuing to tell them how stupid they are.

Complaints about actual issues that Trump will cause are faced with "haha, I love how you're crying" by Trump supporters. That should make obvious that talk about actual issues isn't the thing to start with.

I have no idea how to deal with this, I tried to understand for many pages in this thread and all I could conclude to was a big wtf.

I mean, it certainly isn't within your reach either, but whatever makes you feel better about yourself, right?

my tone and tactics ranged high and low in this thread. read through it

I think a large part of it is down to *how much info* is thrown at all of us, constantly.

I mean I've gotten to the point with emails and phone calls that I almost automatically block numbers I don't recognise (because 49 / 50 calls I get are some unsolicited company trying to sell me something, or worse an outright scam), and I tend to go through my emails daily and delete most of them without opening them. I probably miss out on stuff I'd be interested in but there's so much of it... then when you add in bombardment from social media platforms, TV, radio and anything else- I don't know about anyone else but personally I switch off to most of it.

That makes it very difficult to get a message across *THEN* you get someone like Trump. He was very controversial- but that tends to get peoples attention- and he's got no filter, he'll say *anything* if it gets him heard. Heck I know a lot more about trumps ideals than anything Hilary Clinton had to say- because the **** he was spouting was so controversial it made great news and got peoples attention. I think the brexit campaigners managed a similar thing whilst the remain side didn't really put together a very compelling argument for the EU.

The point is, getting your message across over the information noise that now exists is probably as important these days as the content of the message.

humans colonizing planets? which planets? the moon? mars? the jupiters satalites? whats there other than dust?
build biodromes ? it would require a hell lot of time and resources to manage that and there comes the question how does living on a certain planet affect the human body and psyche over time .. by that time if humanity didn't manage crap about stopping global warming because of its stuppidity it may aswell extinguish itself before anything major could be done about colonising planets ... and i am not even talking about leaving the solarsystem .... that's a pipedream

yeah and it sais alot about this generation that this is now the best tactic to place yourself in a position of power

so ? any yet?

you know what.... this became relevant to me again... I going to be doing this to soothe my nerves a bit

The worst thing that global warming will do is cause a rise in sea level, which will take decades more to cause big problems.

PS. You can't stop global warming. The small amount caused by fossil fuel burning is already too late to stop anyway because carbon dioxide can take centuries to diminish from the atmosphere.

Sigh... Climate change is not cancer. Do some actual research and ask the right questions.

"what is the ideal temperature?"
"what does our temperature record look like and where are we in the cycle?"
"Have we had warmer or colder climates before and which did living organisms better flourish under?"
"without human influence, what would the climate have done?"
"what is the benefit to cost of using fossil fuels?"

PBS space time did a good piece on this some time ago from a purely scientific perspective.


And if you're feeling intellectually curious about that last question, I suggest you read Alex Epstein's 'The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels''. You can hold whatever opinion you want, but atleast inform yourself of arguments from both sides.

As for Trump being a climate denier, i suggest you read art of the deal to understand how he operates. If you have an aunt who is great at bargaining with shop keepers, you'll recognise the same behaviour. Go overboard at first, then come back down slowly to a mutual agreement. Most of you are so used to political actors that you've forgotten how business people behave. Trump is more centrist than you think.

trump is a flip flopper. he denied climate change than backed it when his golf course got flooded.

I love how you beautify his flip-floppiness as "oh he's centrist". As some people put it well Trump has his lucky star to thank for all those people he doesn't give shiit about who conversely idolize him and spend their time "translating" what he says for him.