The Politics Thread (PLAY NICELY!)

1) I don't know of any fear mongering on Bernie's side. He talks about economic inequality, he doesn't make people fear the rich. If you're referring to something else then please let me know.
2) There's a massive difference in scope. I believe Bernie would try to get things done, he'll just be cockblocked by congress. The wall, fixing the entire deficit, holding china accountable, and whatever his current claim of the week is way beyond the bullshit I have ever seen spouted by any politician. Ever.
3) Fair point. Trump has been called out on it more frequently than any other presidential candidate I've ever seen. More false statistics and about the normal amount of "I've never said that". I'll concede that Hillary has a couple glaring lies of a more significant scope, but that's just Hillary. None of the other candidates can compete with Trumps disregard of the truth.
4) He's flip flopped on a number of issues, occasionally in the same speech. The most severe was when he took 5 different stances on abortion in 3 days. A majority of his "plans" have no substance. I would consider either quality a lack of a concrete stance. He's done both with a degree beyond what would be bad by politician standards.
5) Being a ****. I have never seen a politician call another candidate ugly, or attacking another candidates wife. This is on top of throwing peaceful people out of his rallies for being muslim, and advocating violent behavior on several occasions. That is beyond low.

Trump is better at being everything people hate about politicians, except for being tied to lobbies.

For the record: I've never been a Trump supporter. And I never said I was in that first post. You implied that, because I said something that didn't align with your worldview, I was the opposite. How very immature.

He's just going to keep winning if you idiots keep claiming he's some racist *******. You are literally insulting millions of citizens of the most prosperous country on earth by calling them racist for supporting a political candidate. That may not be how you see it, but that's their perspective. Get past the insults, and get to the policies. Show them why he's wrong and they'll listen. It's really, really simple.

Look! more news links!
What a waste of time.
And one of them is The Young Turks? What, could you not pick a network more biased?
Tatsu, do you want actual solutions or pipe dreams? Do you want people holding power for the sake of holding power? Support the Democrats and the socialist left. Do you want people holding power with the intent to stay out of your life and enforce the law? Support the Republicans or the conservative movement. There's no other option. Right-wingers are not any more racist than the left in general, and they do not enact policies that specifically target a race/group of people due to their ethnicity or skin color. The policies are there for logical, sound reasons that do not involve any racism or bigotry. The result often targets these minorities, because statistically, in the USA, they fit the bill for those policies. It's not on purpose, it's how the cards fall.

It's actually pretty ironic that Detroit, one of the most *diverse* cities in the USA, is also one of the most decrepit. It was supposed to be a liberal and labor union success story - instead, the unions drove their companies to bankruptcy, and the leeches in the city government took everything else. And now members of the city council are being charged with corruption. What a surprise.

America isn't Europe. We're built on actual achievements. Our political and economic engines run on the fuel of entrepreneurs and creative minds. It makes us overly optimistic, but also incredibly arrogant. Deal with it, or get the hell out of our way so we can leave you morons in the dust while we colonize the stars.

Calling me racist? A bigot?
Really? Me? LOL.

Go hug a tree or whatever you do to sing away the reality.

nice try but I never said that either. I can read thank you. there were no implications made other than progress which the two quotes side by side did denote by their difference of tone. but if you wanna denounce that too up too you I guess xD

just doesn't help your image.

yeah. you.

try as I might I can't think of one other person met over the course of my life that struck me as more racist than you.

Time for a wake up call Buccko.

time to look in a mirror and try to realize how much of your reality is shrouded.

@tatsujb and @mered4 watching you guys remind me of republican presidential debates.

You're a pretty funny guy

He linked a bunch of secondhand news stories and comedy sketches. And yeah, according to the numbers, the US is still the most prosperous country on earth.

The reason Detroit's auto industry got destroyed isn't because foreign companies got super cheap or suddenly got better - it's because labor unions and terrible taxation policies favoring them drove the cost of labor through the roof. Also, Detroit isn't a state. Do some research.

My reality? My image? Ha! I'm working my way up from the bottom of the pile to be as rich as someone like Trump. That's my reality. I'm not a racist, you're a PC social elitist who can't take me saying how the world actually works. So, instead of debating policy, you ALL resort to calling anyone with any positive things to say about Trump a racist. Great job, guys. Way to be constructive. Now you know why Europe is going down the drain. You bicker about racism and being PC all the time instead of fixing the damn problem.

Because while Europeans generally accept their lot in life and improve themselves only marginally, Americans almost always look for something greater. We have our lazy bums just like everyone else, but we take advantage of our opportunities.

Also, I don't see your flag on the moon or a Rover on Mars.

Fun fact: calling racists out for being racist, can, in fact, fix the "damn problem".

But what can I expect from someone who's literally gone race superiority on this thread. I suppose you have an answer for why some parts of America are less prosperous than others, and I suspect it might be down to population demographics.

How long until the next time your government goes into all drama mode again about having to take more debt than is allowed by law?

Seems legit.

At least we believe you actually did it.


Besides, several EU countries are happier than America.

Shhh don't rile up the Americans they have nukes

Everybody has nukes, and the American military has gone on record saying they're outdated weaponry. We have working military lasers.

Loads of nations have nukes. If we ever have to fight a nuclear war with America, we'll send every nuke silo pizza, and we'll be safe

Why do they have to defend me? They never stood up for me on these matters nor I for them, thus there is no obligation for either party to advocate for the other. You're certainly quick to lump people and their general views together; the bigotry here is quite palpable. That aside, I will and do respect what everyone here is saying regardless of their passion/aggression, but here you're just witch hunting.

SOMEONE MENTIONED LASERS?!?

no dude xD

the reason I called you a racist (and you know that stop trying to make it look like you don't) is because you said the majority of illegal imigrants are mexicans and muslims despite numbers being against you there.
as per :

and :
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/the-murrica-politics-thread.70907/page-33#post-1127935

you just rather believe what's convenient because it fits your distorted view of the world.

that's racism spelled out for you.

racism was never about hating color for the color. who even hates just a color that makes no sense.

and you said that so don't try to blame it on drumpf.


I notice that what you don't get is that it's completely possible for issues not to be the fault of a scapegoat that you spin on the wheel of chance. And blaming their neighboor is something that people do actually because the guy's right next to him and so to an anal-staged brain conceptualising the person as actually there is the first step that has been accomplished and so you can begin attaching concepts (such as blame) to this entity. however it takes a wildly more developed brain to attach blame to entities that do not exist per personae.

Its bewildering to me that in the wake of the panama papers the realisation that the culprit is sometimes not right in front of your eyes still fails to come to you.

but let's attack the problem the brute and barbaric anal-staged way if that's all you understand :

you keep claiming as per :

that it's just bad luck for them that it's them (and bad luck it is indeed that their card has been drawn this time around if that's all it is. (and you don't know that yet but thats really is all it is)) but that it is them so that's the way it's gotta be.

no it doesn't.

and no it isn't.

what sort of evidence is there pointing to them being the responsibles for the evasion of the cash? As in REAL EVIDENCE. not just words. claims. he saids, she saids, we saids.

what sort of evidence is there that this loosely defined racial and religious class living in america is somehow consitently more lawless than the "true" citizens of the U.S.?

and supposing that they were (and they're not but supposing) what sort of justice is there for punishing far and wide unequally and indistinct of citizen or not, lawless or an examplification of lawfullness millions upon millions of people?

(this was written far from home on a very weird keyboard so pardon the errors)

Drumpf you idiot.

are you the egotistical millionaire totalitaristic maniac running for president in america currently?

Wow. None of you have met any actual racists before. Fun Fact: I have. They hate blacks and latinos with a sullen rage and they hate them because they are black or latino. That's it. That's the only reason. There is no logic. You cannot reason with them. Those people are racist. Just because I am specifically targeting Mexicans for logical, sound reasons, doesn't mean I am racist. I do not hate these people. I do not agree with their choices, and I think they should be deported because they broke the law.

Also: suck my ****, tatsu. Do your research. (http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845).
As it turns out, the majority of illegal immigrants into the USA are from Mexico. Hilarious that I was quoting facts and tatsu was quoting nonsense.

Actually, it's due to the fact that lots of poor people live there. Go figure. Which is also due to the government grouping up the poorer folks in publicly funded low income housing developments.
Which can also be blamed on the fluctuations of the economy. None of it can be directly blamed on the fact that *they all black* or *they all white* or whatever. That's just stupid. No one with power does that. Only leftists spewing propaganda say that people do those things.

So, there's this problem in the US. We have millions of illegal immigrants moving into our states through a porous border every year. They are cutting the wages of low-end agricultural and manufacturing jobs and leaning on our economy to support them. They're taking this money and sending what they can back to their families in Mexico. To top it off, lots of criminals from Mexican gangs and drug rings are also crossing the border with these *honest folk.* It's gotten worse in recent years, and if nothing is done, things will only get steadily worse. What to do?

Well, we have three options. I'm generalizing these positions as there are many, MANY flavors of these, but you get the idea.

Option 1: Follow the law. Deport 'em and build a wall, then invite them back in legally. Maybe do something about our clogged immigration process.
Option 2: It's too late, but we can stop this. Give 'em amnesty and build a wall, and don't let more in.
Option 3: **** it, at least we get some votes. Give 'em amnesty and invite more in! We need those votes! Woohoo!

Option 1 is the espoused opinion of Trump. Cruz doesn't want to deport them (too expensive probably), and uses that as a pivot to distinguish himself.
Option 2 is Marco Rubio and most of the GOP, basically.
Option 3 is every Dem ever. They get those Latino votes because the Democrats have been giving them free handouts for years. Legalizing those non-citizens would really help the Democrats secure footholds across the nation.

None of those are racist. At all.
Trump's said some fiery rhetoric, none of it is based in a mindless hate for anyone from Mexico. Or anyone else. You guys can keep saying it is - but you're not helping anyone except Trump by doing so. His supporters just get angry at being called something they are clearly not.

If I hate someone, it's on a personal level. It's because I know them well enough to realize they are an utter douchebag and a disgusting piece of humanity. Not because of their skin color or upbringing.

the site you linked is a propaganda website. its source v source on that one but you linked a .org (anybody can own a .org domain just as I do) while I linked a .us (not only is .us much more expensive but three letter domain names are the rarest of the rare and are usually state-owned) and that's putting asside the fact your source was 2012 stats while mine was 2015.

you're still missing the point : you made that assumption because you wanted to believe that not because you knew. and the fact you'd continue by clinging desperately to your preconceptions with circle-jerk propaganda illustrates that desire even more.

you mean like it is with you?

yes it does!

targetting an ethnicity is racist. period. also wrong.

american whites of 1938 also had their reasons that they themselves deemed logical and sound for doing such things as splitting the water and giving dirty water to blacks for (the tiniest of) examples :


targetting any ethnicity rather than a concept IS being racist no matter the context. theres no case figure where it's okay to say a person belonging to a race is subject to any association of any kind on your part : for example he should be deported because a member of the same race as him did me wrong (and you have no idea for example that since the very start of this thread it is strainfull for me to try to communicate this to you because in Europe the concept of human 'races' is not recognised (as well as in the scientific community mind you)).

and that's puting asside the fact that it's wrong to even consider people as appart by race or whatever other categorisation in the first place.

linking ANY notion with race IS rascism. as per the term.

it's necessarily wrong as the plethora of counter examples will demonstrate simply because what we do is 100% from our head and zilch% controlled by our genes.

and you say the GOP gets missrepresented by the opposition.
boy you're a mouthfull. basically you're utterly oblivious to yourself.

I believe the issue is the US most likely have many hidden illegal* anti-nukes- comparitively.