The Latest From Star Citizen (2.6, Star Marine, and More!)

cdrkf · September 6, 2015

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There is a studio monthly report (August) on their website with lots of interesting content (sorry the forum doesn't let me put any links). I don't personally understand the criticism and bashing they have got. The game is absolutely huge and making it takes its time.

What I have tried Social module it feels very good and impressive already even without NPCs. According to all the current available modules I think the game is going to be amazing and making it has progressed very well.
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Yeah, I have full confidence that it will be a superb game. I played all Chris Roberts big titles when they first came out, he's really never made a bad game in my experience.

I think a good chunk of the criticism comes from people with no prior knowledge of him, or what he achieved in the past. It's kind of a backlash "huh who's this dude, obviously a scam, all these old people must be crazy". If only they knew All high quality AAA story based games can be attributed to what he did with WC3 and 4. He was also one of the first to feature branching story lines in his games (with multiple endings and multiple routes to reach them).

I mean I only just found out that Starlancer (an excellent story driven space shooter he made when at Microsoft), actually had a huge co-op campaign mode. I loved that game and I didn't even know it was in there. It's that kind of attention to detail that many modern games lack.

Geers · October 1, 2015

Don't have the time to go into it, but this **** is COOL.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14972-Research-Unbound-The-MISC-Endeavor

How it all works:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/14974-Design-The-Endeavor

cdrkf · October 1, 2015

Geers said: ↑

Don't have the time to go into it, but this **** is COOL.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14972-Research-Unbound-The-MISC-Endeavor

How it all works:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/14974-Design-The-Endeavor

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It's a beautiful ship, and when the command module is away a juicy static target for a pirate raid

Geers · October 2, 2015

There's a lot more but here are the bits where he directly responds:

In an effort to be complete and also answer the talking points you sent David here are my responses;

-Employees have indicated that Star Citizen and all of the promised stretch goals, “even with competent management,” could not be made for $90 million.

CR: How do you or they know this? Which employees said this and what makes them qualified to make that judgement? I know it’s what Derek Smart loves to say but he couldn’t make a good game with $200m so I don’t think his opinion matters. Outside of that, no employee beyond me and a few other key people who are leading Star Citizen would have the appropriate information and overview to make any judgement about the cost of the total project. Secondly, the company uses additional sources of funding such as tax incentives, marketing and product partnerships, but we do not discuss these issues in public for obvious reasons. We always keep a healthy cash reserve and operate our business prudently based on the incoming revenue. It should tell you something that we are actually increasing our global headcount not decreasing it despite the inaccurate rumours perpetuated by Derek Smart.

-Concerns expressed over the planning of the project prior to launching the Kickstarter, namely related to Roberts’ extended absence from the video game industry.

CR: What concerns expressed prior to launching the Kickstarter? The small, tight team that put together the KS campaign and worked on the technical demo are all very much still at CIG and none of these people had any doubt. And judging from the record breaking campaign which is the biggest crowd funded project (not just game) in history I would say that there’s a large amount of people that also didn’t have these concerns. So may I ask where did these concerns come from?

-In 2012, a Kickstarter FAQ indicated that the high cost of stretch goals was in order to ensure a 2014 delivery date.

CR: Is this the FAQ line you’re talking about?

The purpose of the higher stretch goals is to ensure that the game-as-described is finished in the two year time period. We intend to build the game that Chris Roberts described at GDC Online regardless, but without additional funding we are going to have to do it one piece at a time, starting with Squadron 42, rather than as a single larger production. With more funding we can include more ships, systems, unique locations, animations and cinematic sequences.
You will notice that this is saying that we would only be able to deliver Squadron 42, not the bigger game without additional funding. If you refer to the stretch goals you will notice that the base goal was enhanced community content (delivered), alpha dogfighting module (delivered) and Squadron 42 (in progress). That was the base game as described. The full persistent universe and all the extra features like FPS boarding, multiple star systems to visit, extra ships and so on are all stretch goals. As is true with most projects when the scope changes so do the timelines, you can’t build a castle in the same time you would a wood shed no matter how much money or how many people you have. To try to make some kind of narrative about how we promised the game in two years no matter how big the scope grew is false. Could we have shipped a small scale 30 mission game in the old Wing Commander format in two years? Yes, but that’s not the game the community wants or the game we’re building. What we are delivering now, just on the Squadron 42 side is more akin to a huge AAA game that would retail for $60 by itself. The value for money that people are getting for a $40 pledge is pretty crazy.

-Allegations of a “toxic” work environment, including ignored Human Resources complaints against Sandi Gardiner (including accusations of discriminatory hiring processes, vulgarity and personal insults during both public disagreements and email exchanges).

CR: All personnel and HR matters are obviously completely private and we can’t comment on this as a matter of principle. As always, there are two sides to each story.

-Accusations of the mismanagement of money, including: using crowdfunding money to pay for couple’s Pacific Palisades mansion, using crowdfunding money to pay for personal vehicles, using crowdfunding money to pay for personal vacations, using company resources and employees to create videos for films and auditions (Sandi Gardiner).

CR: No crowdfunding monies are used for any private purposes – these allegations are completely false and defamatory. This is pure innuendo for nefarious purposes and I guarantee that anyone making this claim will be unable to show any proof of it as it simply hasn’t happened. Ever since Wing Commander came out I’ve been lucky enough to be financially independent, driven nice cars and lived in nice houses. That’s due to money earned through royalties, the sale of Origin to Electronic Arts, Digital Anvil to Microsoft and prudent investing. So why are people making a deal about me having these things now? I also find the continued attack on Sandi fairly alarming. Why is she being singled out? Because she’s my wife? A woman? Yes, she’s also an actress and there’s nothing wrong with her also engaging in one of her passions after hours or outside of work. We let employees play games of D&D in our conference room in the evenings or weekends. I don’t see attacks from Derek Smart about how this is a waste of company resources (and it is not his to comment on or judge anyhow).

-Accusations of entering into a joint venture partnership with Turbulent, and using crowdfunding money in order to assist with the continued creation of the crowdfunding platform that was used on the RSI website to market to other companies.

CR: The opposite is true. CIG benefited from pre-existing software that Turbulent had developed. Our JV with them allowed us access to cheaper rates and bound an important part of Star Citizen closer to CIG, which are both beneficial to CIG and the backers. Per our agreement Turbulent is of course free to offer their technology to other customers.

-Accusations of “irresponsible spending” of money, including the use of “big name” Hollywood actors for voice-overs for the commercials, the hiring of inexperienced “movie people” to work on certain aspects for large fees with minimal to no experience.

CR: Where does this come from? Has anyone given you examples of “big name” actors or numbers? It’s completely incorrect – we paid appropriate rates for normal VO work for the commercials. Now for Squadron 42 we do have a really great cast, which we will announce in a week from Saturday, but that was one of our stretch goals so it would be a bit rich to accuse us of mismanagement there!

“Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander”

-Accusations that the majority of the crowdfunding money has been used, with minimal progress made. Sources state they “feel like they were making commercials, not a game.”

CR: Anybody even with minimal knowledge about game development can assess the significant progress by looking at the released modules and the detailed monthly reports from each development studio. We have a massive team, working flat out to build something special for everybody. We feel like we’ve made huge strides and have completed a good portion of the underlying technology that will enable us to make Star Citizen the game that your sources say can’t be made. I don’t know how someone could say with a straight face that they felt “they were making commercials, not a game.” In fact we haven’t had a ship commercial since last year! As an aside the commercials were used as a fun milestone to make sure everyone got the ship to final game quality, and it focused the artists on finishing the work for public consumption, which in turn helps with getting more final assets in the game sooner. It was also a great way to build the lore of the universe of Star Citizen up, which is a universe we intend to continue to expand for many years to come.

-People feel the company is understaffed for what is being asked of them

CR: In every project I’ve done and others I’ve witnessed it’s a very common tendency for people to want more staff to help finish the job. It’s always that way until the game is finally done. Under Erin’s leadership at head of Global Production we’ve re-organized to make things more efficient (which is really what started this flap in the first place) and we are in a hiring mode (which you can see by our open positions) which shows that we are working to address these concerns. We have ten confirmed new hires that will start this month alone and offers out to several more candidates.
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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist

Geers · October 2, 2015

-Employees are concerned that Roberts is not listening to the advice of people who have worked in the industry during his absence, and that they will have to waste time and resources attempting something impossible just to prove it would not work.

CR: I have a very strong vision for Star Citizen, which is why I believe we have been backed to the level we have. I have no doubt what we can achieve. Now that most of the base technology is in place we will be able to get with the Large World and MultiCrew milestone a game experience that will allow you to seamlessly go from foot, to boarding a fully realized spaceship with your friends, take off, fly thousands or millions of km in space, exit your ship in EVA and explore derelict space stations or wrecks, engage in FPScombat, return to your ship, engage in space combat and return to your home base to share the tales of your adventures with your other friends. All with no leading screens, all at AAA first person fidelity that you can’t even get on a next gen console. This is the core of the Squadron 42 and Star Citizen experience that we will continue to iterate on and add content to, but even the first release will be more “game” than most commercially released space games. In terms of not listening to the advice of people that have worked in the industry that is not true. I have a very strong executive management and design team with huge experience in AAA titles that all contribute to the decision making of the company. I listen to everyone – from our top level all the way through to our QA testers and community giving feedback on gameplay and features. I care and want to build the best game possible. Now that doesn’t mean I agree with everyone’s opinions and feedback as a project director I owe it to the community to stay true to my vision and pick the things that I think will make the game better which can occasionally lead to people feeling disgruntled, which I suspect is the root of this “concern”.

-Allegations indicating that there are not currently any complete character builds for the game.

CR: Where are you getting this from? Have you guys really looked at what you can do right now in the game? You’ve been able to walk around your hangar since August of 2013. I’m pretty sure that was a complete character walking around rather than a mass hallucination. We have multiple characters in the game and are working on a lot more (of which some will be seen at Citizen Con).

-Statements made that the Austin office will be closing, as is understood by employees.

CR: This is completely false. We’ve actually made public statements to this fact. All Austin employees have been advised of a fairly minimal restructuring where some roles have been moved to LA or Europe for overall team efficiency. The majority of our Texas employees will remain in the Austin studio (indefinitely, by the way). As I’ve mentioned previously we are actually increasing our worldwide headcount in order to complete the game as effectively as possible. I would hope that the backers want us to be constantly trying to increase efficiency and making the hard choices that will benefit the game.

-Accusations that Star Citizen became more about crowdfunding than about making a game

CR: It’s about making a great game. Crowd funding is just a tool that allows us to do it with freedom that you would not normally have with a traditional publisher. So no it’s always about the game.

-Employees feel as though they are “part of a con”

CR: This is the statement that really makes my blood boil. If any current employee feels this way they should not be working on Star Citizen or at CIG! I suspect these are the words of a few bitter ex-employees trying to stir trouble but I consider it a privilege and an honor to have so many people support myself and the team in making the game of all our dreams. I have nothing but gratitude to our backers for their support and patience and nothing but respect for the CIG team giving their all to make this game. Anyone who doesn’t feel this is welcome to the door, and as you must now realize there have been a few people who haven’t shared the same passion or love and now resent being called out for it.

Ok, there you go.

I would like to point out that ever since I got your email from David I have been working on this response. I worked on this until 5am last night, and a couple more hours this morning in the UK, where I am currently am in preparation for CitizenCon in a week from Saturday. Conservatively it’s taken me about eight hours to write. This is time I could have spent working on the game instead of dealing with a Derek Smart instigated drama. And this is really what annoys me – that his silly rantings occasionally gain traction and pull me away from the very thing I prefer to do and the very thing everyone wants me to do and the very thing Derek Smart accuses me of not doing – FINISHING THE GAME! By constantly tweeting, writing blogs and soliciting journalists in the background to report his “findings” he’s waging guerrilla warfare on my time, the time of other key executives, and the peace of mind of our employees and backers.

I would ask you to think hard about this in the context of what you guys have been considering running with. What do you hope to achieve by running with an article like this? What good do you hope will come out of it? Are you looking to cast assertions on our chance of success? What’s the point of unfounded conjecture and innuendo from biased parties? People say we will not deliver the game we’ve promised. So? Shouldn’t you just let us get on with it? If it falls apart they will be vindicated, if not we will be. I don’t know any other project that gets the level of scrutiny that we get in the development phase. Every day I have to deal with thousands of arm chair CEOs and developers mostly because we are the most open game development project in history. I have no problem with our community having its opinion on various facets of our development but when our openness is used against us by a small number of outside agitators harbouring ill will against us, it becomes incredibly frustrating and detrimental to my ability to deliver the game as promised.

If you guys are willing to do a proper piece then I’m happy to engage. You’re invited to visit all of our four studios, meet the developers making the game and see how we’re building one of the most ambitious PC games first hand. I’ll put my 261, their passion and energy against the complaints of a few disgruntled ex-employees any day. We have backers visit the offices all the time, they all come away with the same impression – that the entire team is dedicated to making the best game possible – if you took the time to research this you will find that it is a common comment and that the “noise” that has been generated is really from a very small number of people and some quite bitter ex-employees.

-Chris
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cdrkf · October 2, 2015

Geers said: ↑

-Employees are concerned that Roberts is not listening to the advice of people who have worked in the industry during his absence, and that they will have to waste time and resources attempting something impossible just to prove it would not work.

CR: I have a very strong vision for Star Citizen, which is why I believe we have been backed to the level we have. I have no doubt what we can achieve. Now that most of the base technology is in place we will be able to get with the Large World and MultiCrew milestone a game experience that will allow you to seamlessly go from foot, to boarding a fully realized spaceship with your friends, take off, fly thousands or millions of km in space, exit your ship in EVA and explore derelict space stations or wrecks, engage in FPScombat, return to your ship, engage in space combat and return to your home base to share the tales of your adventures with your other friends. All with no leading screens, all at AAA first person fidelity that you can’t even get on a next gen console. This is the core of the Squadron 42 and Star Citizen experience that we will continue to iterate on and add content to, but even the first release will be more “game” than most commercially released space games. In terms of not listening to the advice of people that have worked in the industry that is not true. I have a very strong executive management and design team with huge experience in AAA titles that all contribute to the decision making of the company. I listen to everyone – from our top level all the way through to our QA testers and community giving feedback on gameplay and features. I care and want to build the best game possible. Now that doesn’t mean I agree with everyone’s opinions and feedback as a project director I owe it to the community to stay true to my vision and pick the things that I think will make the game better which can occasionally lead to people feeling disgruntled, which I suspect is the root of this “concern”.

-Allegations indicating that there are not currently any complete character builds for the game.

CR: Where are you getting this from? Have you guys really looked at what you can do right now in the game? You’ve been able to walk around your hangar since August of 2013. I’m pretty sure that was a complete character walking around rather than a mass hallucination. We have multiple characters in the game and are working on a lot more (of which some will be seen at Citizen Con).

-Statements made that the Austin office will be closing, as is understood by employees.

CR: This is completely false. We’ve actually made public statements to this fact. All Austin employees have been advised of a fairly minimal restructuring where some roles have been moved to LA or Europe for overall team efficiency. The majority of our Texas employees will remain in the Austin studio (indefinitely, by the way). As I’ve mentioned previously we are actually increasing our worldwide headcount in order to complete the game as effectively as possible. I would hope that the backers want us to be constantly trying to increase efficiency and making the hard choices that will benefit the game.

-Accusations that Star Citizen became more about crowdfunding than about making a game

CR: It’s about making a great game. Crowd funding is just a tool that allows us to do it with freedom that you would not normally have with a traditional publisher. So no it’s always about the game.

-Employees feel as though they are “part of a con”

CR: This is the statement that really makes my blood boil. If any current employee feels this way they should not be working on Star Citizen or at CIG! I suspect these are the words of a few bitter ex-employees trying to stir trouble but I consider it a privilege and an honor to have so many people support myself and the team in making the game of all our dreams. I have nothing but gratitude to our backers for their support and patience and nothing but respect for the CIG team giving their all to make this game. Anyone who doesn’t feel this is welcome to the door, and as you must now realize there have been a few people who haven’t shared the same passion or love and now resent being called out for it.

Ok, there you go.

I would like to point out that ever since I got your email from David I have been working on this response. I worked on this until 5am last night, and a couple more hours this morning in the UK, where I am currently am in preparation for CitizenCon in a week from Saturday. Conservatively it’s taken me about eight hours to write. This is time I could have spent working on the game instead of dealing with a Derek Smart instigated drama. And this is really what annoys me – that his silly rantings occasionally gain traction and pull me away from the very thing I prefer to do and the very thing everyone wants me to do and the very thing Derek Smart accuses me of not doing – FINISHING THE GAME! By constantly tweeting, writing blogs and soliciting journalists in the background to report his “findings” he’s waging guerrilla warfare on my time, the time of other key executives, and the peace of mind of our employees and backers.

I would ask you to think hard about this in the context of what you guys have been considering running with. What do you hope to achieve by running with an article like this? What good do you hope will come out of it? Are you looking to cast assertions on our chance of success? What’s the point of unfounded conjecture and innuendo from biased parties? People say we will not deliver the game we’ve promised. So? Shouldn’t you just let us get on with it? If it falls apart they will be vindicated, if not we will be. I don’t know any other project that gets the level of scrutiny that we get in the development phase. Every day I have to deal with thousands of arm chair CEOs and developers mostly because we are the most open game development project in history. I have no problem with our community having its opinion on various facets of our development but when our openness is used against us by a small number of outside agitators harbouring ill will against us, it becomes incredibly frustrating and detrimental to my ability to deliver the game as promised.

If you guys are willing to do a proper piece then I’m happy to engage. You’re invited to visit all of our four studios, meet the developers making the game and see how we’re building one of the most ambitious PC games first hand. I’ll put my 261, their passion and energy against the complaints of a few disgruntled ex-employees any day. We have backers visit the offices all the time, they all come away with the same impression – that the entire team is dedicated to making the best game possible – if you took the time to research this you will find that it is a common comment and that the “noise” that has been generated is really from a very small number of people and some quite bitter ex-employees.

-Chris
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I must admit some of Derek's stuff started to worry me when James Pugh suddenly got fired, however all the extra stuff he tried to link with that event simply isn't happening, and the recent multi crew demo looks very much like the real deal.

I think it's good CR has taken the time to respond to all this as well, evidently the staying silent policy wasn't working. Either way I'm looking forward to what's revealed at citizen con, very keen to see how sq42 is shaping up!

Mirolog · October 4, 2015

Well all of this stuff just make people talk more about Star Citizen, and it's a good thing.

cdrkf · October 4, 2015

Mirolog said: ↑

Well all of this stuff just make people talk more about Star Citizen, and it's a good thing.
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Well I like your optimism, although I'm unsure in the long run if this much bad press is good. Same happened with PA and it essentially killed their second kickstarter before it got off the ground.

Despite how unfounded all this is, the internet at large has decided star citizen is a scam and guaranteed to fail. The result of that is whatever they put out will be viewed and critiqued from the view point of 'they've screwed it up, let's find what's wrong' so I fear that even if it's one of the best games of all time it will get slaughtered by reviewers ' because it was late' (even though 5 years or so is perfectly reasonable for something like this) and because 'it isn't feature complete' (as most of the stretch goals, as clearly stated on the website, are due for patches post release but I'm sure that will be forgotten). It's essentially what happened to PA repeating itself

Evidently the folks doing elite dangerous worked out a safer way of developing their game imo.

Mirolog · October 4, 2015

cdrkf said: ↑

Mirolog said: ↑

Well all of this stuff just make people talk more about Star Citizen, and it's a good thing.
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Well I like your optimism, although I'm unsure in the long run if this much bad press is good. Same happened with PA and it essentially killed their second kickstarter before it got off the ground.

Despite how unfounded all this is, the internet at large has decided star citizen is a scam and guaranteed to fail. The result of that is whatever they put out will be viewed and critiqued from the view point of 'they've screwed it up, let's find what's wrong' so I fear that even if it's one of the best games of all time it will get slaughtered by reviewers ' because it was late' (even though 5 years or so is perfectly reasonable for something like this) and because 'it isn't feature complete' (as most of the stretch goals, as clearly stated on the website, are due for patches post release but I'm sure that will be forgotten). It's essentially what happened to PA repeating itself

Evidently the folks doing elite dangerous worked out a safer way of developing their game imo.
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"folks doing elite dangerous" made a Galaxy On Fire (which is an Android game) with good graphics.
Human Resourses failed because Uber has worst marketing ever. But they can make great games tho.

The thing is that I don't really see "the internet at large has decided star citizen is a scam and guaranteed to fail".
Only something like PC Gamer, Escapist and IGN do that, because no one paid them to say good things. And some random guys like Derek, because they want to draw attention to themselves. I knew who is Derek Smart only after Star Citizen stuff, so it's working.

Here in Russia, Star Citizen community is quite small, but I never saw someone saying that Star Citizen is a scam.
And I never saw anything bad about Star Citizen in largest game media recources. So there is no such thing here.

cdrkf · October 4, 2015

Mirolog said: ↑

cdrkf said: ↑

Mirolog said: ↑

Well all of this stuff just make people talk more about Star Citizen, and it's a good thing.
Click to expand...

Well I like your optimism, although I'm unsure in the long run if this much bad press is good. Same happened with PA and it essentially killed their second kickstarter before it got off the ground.

Despite how unfounded all this is, the internet at large has decided star citizen is a scam and guaranteed to fail. The result of that is whatever they put out will be viewed and critiqued from the view point of 'they've screwed it up, let's find what's wrong' so I fear that even if it's one of the best games of all time it will get slaughtered by reviewers ' because it was late' (even though 5 years or so is perfectly reasonable for something like this) and because 'it isn't feature complete' (as most of the stretch goals, as clearly stated on the website, are due for patches post release but I'm sure that will be forgotten). It's essentially what happened to PA repeating itself

Evidently the folks doing elite dangerous worked out a safer way of developing their game imo.
Click to expand...

"folks doing elite dangerous" made a Galaxy On Fire (which is an Android game) with good graphics.
Human Resourses failed because Uber has worst marketing ever. But they can make great games tho.

The thing is that I don't really see "the internet at large has decided star citizen is a scam and guaranteed to fail".
Only something like PC Gamer, Escapist and IGN do that, because no one paid them to say good things. And some random guys like Derek, because they want to draw attention to themselves. I knew who is Derek Smart only after Star Citizen stuff, so it's working.

Here in Russia, Star Citizen community is quite small, but I never saw someone saying that Star Citizen is a scam.
And I never saw anything bad about Star Citizen in largest game media recources. So there is no such thing here.
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That's good, many of the UK / USA media sources are full of comments about star citizen being 'vapourware' and such. Hopefully it will blow over though.

Btw if your Russian, have you tried the excellent Russian developed space game start conflict?

Mirolog · October 4, 2015

cdrkf said: ↑

Mirolog said: ↑

cdrkf said: ↑

Mirolog said: ↑

Well all of this stuff just make people talk more about Star Citizen, and it's a good thing.
Click to expand...

Well I like your optimism, although I'm unsure in the long run if this much bad press is good. Same happened with PA and it essentially killed their second kickstarter before it got off the ground.

Despite how unfounded all this is, the internet at large has decided star citizen is a scam and guaranteed to fail. The result of that is whatever they put out will be viewed and critiqued from the view point of 'they've screwed it up, let's find what's wrong' so I fear that even if it's one of the best games of all time it will get slaughtered by reviewers ' because it was late' (even though 5 years or so is perfectly reasonable for something like this) and because 'it isn't feature complete' (as most of the stretch goals, as clearly stated on the website, are due for patches post release but I'm sure that will be forgotten). It's essentially what happened to PA repeating itself

Evidently the folks doing elite dangerous worked out a safer way of developing their game imo.
Click to expand...

"folks doing elite dangerous" made a Galaxy On Fire (which is an Android game) with good graphics.
Human Resourses failed because Uber has worst marketing ever. But they can make great games tho.

The thing is that I don't really see "the internet at large has decided star citizen is a scam and guaranteed to fail".
Only something like PC Gamer, Escapist and IGN do that, because no one paid them to say good things. And some random guys like Derek, because they want to draw attention to themselves. I knew who is Derek Smart only after Star Citizen stuff, so it's working.

Here in Russia, Star Citizen community is quite small, but I never saw someone saying that Star Citizen is a scam.
And I never saw anything bad about Star Citizen in largest game media recources. So there is no such thing here.
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That's good, many of the UK / USA media sources are full of comments about star citizen being 'vapourware' and such. Hopefully it will blow over though.

Btw if your Russian, have you tried the excellent Russian developed space game start conflict?
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Start Conflict lol. Yep, played about 360 hours. It's like you need a half a year to get to the top level, and one more year to get top ship. Too much grinding to get end-game content.

cdrkf · October 4, 2015

Mirolog said: ↑

cdrkf said: ↑

Mirolog said: ↑

cdrkf said: ↑

Well I like your optimism, although I'm unsure in the long run if this much bad press is good. Same happened with PA and it essentially killed their second kickstarter before it got off the ground.

Despite how unfounded all this is, the internet at large has decided star citizen is a scam and guaranteed to fail. The result of that is whatever they put out will be viewed and critiqued from the view point of 'they've screwed it up, let's find what's wrong' so I fear that even if it's one of the best games of all time it will get slaughtered by reviewers ' because it was late' (even though 5 years or so is perfectly reasonable for something like this) and because 'it isn't feature complete' (as most of the stretch goals, as clearly stated on the website, are due for patches post release but I'm sure that will be forgotten). It's essentially what happened to PA repeating itself

Evidently the folks doing elite dangerous worked out a safer way of developing their game imo.
Click to expand...

"folks doing elite dangerous" made a Galaxy On Fire (which is an Android game) with good graphics.
Human Resourses failed because Uber has worst marketing ever. But they can make great games tho.

The thing is that I don't really see "the internet at large has decided star citizen is a scam and guaranteed to fail".
Only something like PC Gamer, Escapist and IGN do that, because no one paid them to say good things. And some random guys like Derek, because they want to draw attention to themselves. I knew who is Derek Smart only after Star Citizen stuff, so it's working.

Here in Russia, Star Citizen community is quite small, but I never saw someone saying that Star Citizen is a scam.
And I never saw anything bad about Star Citizen in largest game media recources. So there is no such thing here.
Click to expand...

That's good, many of the UK / USA media sources are full of comments about star citizen being 'vapourware' and such. Hopefully it will blow over though.

Btw if your Russian, have you tried the excellent Russian developed space game start conflict?
Click to expand...

Start Conflict lol. Yep, played about 360 hours. It's like you need a half a year to get to the top level, and one more year to get top ship. Too much grinding to get end-game content.
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Yeah it is grindy, although to actually unlock all the levels you only need t4, and the game is fun at most tech levels (t1 is dull but after that).

I actually think it's most balanced at t3. After that some weapon / module configurations become very op.

websterx01 · October 4, 2015

DRAMA!

The irony. Also, may I just say that transparent development has been a nearly universal failure, spanning pretty much every genre.

crizmess · October 4, 2015

websterx01 said: ↑

DRAMA!
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Yes, I think this is the correct word to describe this kind of video

Geers · October 5, 2015

websterx01 said: ↑

DRAMA!

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Gotta love Derek Smart.

websterx01 said: ↑

Also, may I just say that transparent development has been a nearly universal failure, spanning pretty much every genre.
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Star Citizen still has plenty of dev reports all over the website.

Gorbles · October 5, 2015

All of this insanity has made me come out firmly in SC's camp - even for someone who was highly skeptical of their FPS Module excuses.

Smart's gonna smart.

cdrkf · October 5, 2015

Gorbles said: ↑

All of this insanity has made me come out firmly in SC's camp - even for someone who was highly skeptical of their FPS Module excuses.

Smart's gonna smart.
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I think what we see on the 10th will clarify a lot about star citizen... Hopefully might allay some fears.

Geers · October 5, 2015

cdrkf said: ↑

Gorbles said: ↑

All of this insanity has made me come out firmly in SC's camp - even for someone who was highly skeptical of their FPS Module excuses.

Smart's gonna smart.
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I think what we see on the 10th will clarify a lot about star citizen... Hopefully might allay some fears.
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Wait what happens on the 10th?

Besides me dying of dehydration because I've been playing the Battlefront beta for the last 48 hours.

cdrkf · October 5, 2015

Geers said: ↑

cdrkf said: ↑

Gorbles said: ↑

All of this insanity has made me come out firmly in SC's camp - even for someone who was highly skeptical of their FPS Module excuses.

Smart's gonna smart.
Click to expand...

I think what we see on the 10th will clarify a lot about star citizen... Hopefully might allay some fears.
Click to expand...

Wait what happens on the 10th?

Besides me dying of dehydration because I've been playing the Battlefront beta for the last 48 hours.
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10th is citizen con in Manchester. They're revealing stuff related to sq42, and are hoping to get the arena commander 2.0 (baby PU) out around the same time....

Geers · October 5, 2015

cdrkf said: ↑

Geers said: ↑

cdrkf said: ↑

Gorbles said: ↑

All of this insanity has made me come out firmly in SC's camp - even for someone who was highly skeptical of their FPS Module excuses.

Smart's gonna smart.
Click to expand...

I think what we see on the 10th will clarify a lot about star citizen... Hopefully might allay some fears.
Click to expand...

Wait what happens on the 10th?

Besides me dying of dehydration because I've been playing the Battlefront beta for the last 48 hours.
Click to expand...

10th is citizen con in Manchester. They're revealing stuff related to sq42, and are hoping to get the arena commander 2.0 (baby PU) out around the same time....
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Cool beans.

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