Are Clans dead in PA? Edit: Clan War Season Deux thread

With no tournaments/leagues/socials and most members inactive or moving on to other games are clans dead in PA? Is it worth while trying to keep clans alive?

Just interested in the community's thoughts on the matter.

What no tournaments, there is one almost every week.

Clan Tournaments?

PS: I do like the weekly tournament idea from exodus. You guys do a great job with everything you do for PA!

I had planned to do a meet the clan feature, but i got stuck. I really should finish it, and get the first release.

Clan tournaments, humm, i personally don't want to do any more clan tournaments.

1. They require clans be organised and have a enough members, and I agree with you, can any clan (excluding RLM) could put a team together for PA is questionable.
2. Drama, Drama, Drama, Clanwars was a massive undertaking for exodus and its members, but **** me the drama was unbelievable, x1000 more than we get for a normal tournament, hence i personally wouldn't vote or suggest another clan based tournament, when we plan future tournaments.
3. I prefer small team tournaments and would rather put time into something like that than a 4v4 clan tournament.
4. Talk is cheap, while i've seen lots of suggestions for new clan tournaments/leagues/formats, due to the time and work involved to get clans organised, ie agree a time for 8 people to play a match, hell just making sure everyone turns up. means they never happen.
5. Servers, i dont think theres every been a 4v4 were the sim didnt slow down at some point, which leads to very long matches.
6. Prizes are hard for big teams.

Thanks for the reply. I did not take part in clan wars, but I can understand all the headaches you just mentioned being involved. While 4v4 and 5v5 clan tournaments sounds like a lot of fun. Logistics/servers/drama are good reasons not to hold such events.

On the other hand, if there are no clan based events, is there any reason to have clans in PA? Will not having clans in the future affect the overall community and the longevity of the game?

We should do a small clan event. Clan wars was a nice idea but a bit too much imo. Maybe a 2 v 2 tournament (open to all) where specific clans get points based on placement of their players in the tourney? Or maybe even simply a clans rating derived from the normal tourneys where certain points are attained based on player rankings achieved.

As for the drama of clan wars, let's be honest the drama pertained almost entirely to one rather colourful character and his followers they've long since disbanded so some form of clan contest could be worth revising although I'd urge you to go very small and simple. I just think we need a way to include clans as a part of the competitive scene.

Active clans now are rlm, brn, promethean and maybe vow. I think there are maybe a couple of other new groups that exist primarily on steam or in game so definitely still a following.

How about clanwars based on 1vs1 games?
I love the concept of clanwars where each team has n players in some order and they play 1v1, winner stays. The first clan with no more players loses.

I honestly don't know, clans (guilds) are a requirement for games like Wow, because you need the clan support structure to access the higher tier content. But for a game like PA, you don't need that support structure so clan will always be weaker for PA.

Like the idea, but if you have the best player you will win. Not much of a team/clan concept. Maybe best of 3 or 5 games with each player ranked on each squad like team tennis.

I was just curious if clans would disappear, how it would affect the community at large. If there are no clan events they will probably disband overtime except certain players who would otherwise still be in the community.

well yeah. Though if the best player just played 4 matches in a row and you could watch him while doing so you might well be able to adapt based on what you saw and get out just one cheesy win. Just winning multiple games in a row vs opponents that know what they will play (and also, as loser, can select the map they want) isn't exactly easy. If a player manages to do it, then sure his team should win.

I think points makes most sense. That way each player contributes, and having a strong team of players all who do well will accrue more points than another clan who has 1 top pro but few other good players.

Best of 5 games with 3-1v1, 1- 2v2, and 3v3 as the tiebreaker. Problem still is that its hard to organize this kinda of system and I don't think the clans could muster 4 to 5 players at this point.

Well that would technically only need 3 players I think promethean could probably drag enough members back to enter.

You would need 3 players under the setup I proposed, and I think promethean and realm could muster those players but can each of the other clans muster enough players for a whole season? I don't think they could at this point.

Also, the idea behind any clan based event has to be to bring in (or keep) more players to the PA community. I don't know if a 3 player clan war team will help keep the community active and strong. In fact requiring only 3 players might show lack of interest in clans or shrinking player base in the game (hate to be a debbie downer )

Lol the Realm is still kicking. We had like 12 people on PA alone last night haha

So to answer the original question PA clans are not dead. Everyone is playing for Realm. So... Realm wins?

Feels like we're back to beta days lol.

i actualy like the formad total buiscuit has on his channel .. it´s a series of various maps
and 2 teams of 5 players battling eachother in mostly 1v1 games and 1 or 2 2v2 matches the clan with the most points wins if both clans have the same points the tourney goes on till one has a two pointlead iirc ...
good?

I believe changes would be needed after @Bsport post explaining the issues with the original clan war. Some version of several 1v1 and multiplayer games seems to be the solution with a point system or a best of "give a number" declaring the winner. This is the easy stuff.

The real questions are:
Is there any interest for a new clan wars?
Is there any purpose left for clans in PA?
Should more be done to promote and maintain clans or focus on other tournaments and ranked play?

Clans in PA are a silly thing. Having multiple clans divides an already small community. We need one voice chat hub, one community base. The idea of clans should be abandoned in PA.