Asteroid Poll

Discussion in 'Planetary Annihilation General Discussion' started by killerkiwijuice, June 25, 2015.

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Thoughts on asteroids and their destruction

  1. Asteroids + planet collision destroys entire planet

    8 vote(s)
    12.5%
  2. Asteroids + planet collisions don't destroy entire planet/use current crater system

    51 vote(s)
    79.7%
  3. Planet + planet collisions destroy both planets

    54 vote(s)
    84.4%
  4. Planet + planet collisions dont destroy both planets/use current crater system

    5 vote(s)
    7.8%
  5. Asteroids + asteroid collisions destroy both asteroids completely

    60 vote(s)
    93.8%
  6. Asteroids + asteroid collisions don't destroy both asteroids completely/use current crater system

    3 vote(s)
    4.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. MrTBSC

    MrTBSC Post Master General

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    and yet there is still a difference between planetnukes and annihilazers it´s not neccesarily as binary as you make it .. it is more a thing of giving diversaty to systemcreation/generation ...
  2. killerkiwijuice

    killerkiwijuice Post Master General

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    I tried to keep the poll choices under 1000 characters.
  3. mikeyh

    mikeyh Post Master General

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  4. crizmess

    crizmess Well-Known Member

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    I don't think this poll is helpful. It's a trap.

    We all stated our thoughts and opinions already in the developer update thread. And if you read the update thread carefully, you will note that this wasn't a discussion. Uber stated their current development and their proposal for the next steps, and we gave feedback based on our own thoughts. That's all. For sure, Uber will read the feedback and plan development accordingly, but this was rather an exchange of opinions than a real discussion. (It would be as useless as a discussion about favourite colours).
    This is because we, the community, are in no position to discuss any development goal on an rational level. The short version of this is: To make real decisions about development you need not only know the outcome of a feature, but also the costs and constraints to its implementation. Both of those are totally unknown to us (and I'm sure even jables doesn't know it to all extent - there are complete books filled only with methods to estimate or handle those things gracefully).
    At the end of the day, the question is not how awesome a feature is, but how long it takes to make it awesome enough to be viable. As an example, you can not stall development for half a year for single feature, even if it would be the most awesome feature ever. It will kill almost all projects even before you can ship the first version of this feature.

    But about what do people actually discuss then? Well, look at this thread, they mostly discussing about their own opinions. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with this. There is good reason to state thoughts, feelings and opinions about up coming features, and I'm sure Uber is thankful for that feedback.
    The problem is that as this conversation about opinions goes on, it tend to go towards more and more absolute and demanding claims (sorry, I'm missing a good Latin word for that). People will talk about "the only option", "proofs", "this has to be done right" and "if this isn't implemented that way, the game is doomed".
    But reality is that, even if the community at all will come to a consensus about asteroids, there is no guarantee that Uber is in any state to implement it the way the community envision it.
    I can hear the outcry that will happen, the day jables posts the next update and states that they tested smashing with craters but getting it right is still to hard and they are dropping this part of the code completely.

    But what will you do then? Demand that it will be implemented? On which basis?
    You see, it's a trap.
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  5. ace63

    ace63 Post Master General

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    Quite a few times was the community opinion ignored during development of PA and we know that didn't turn out pretty - it damaged Ubers reputation and shrunk the community each and every time.
    Of course its all about time and money, but if those were factored out, it would be wise of Uber to finally start listening to the remaining community members, since many have already left because of this reason.

    I can very well understand if the proposed system of "planets kill everything, asteroids cause craters" is beyond their ressources, but the basic systems for it are already in place.
  6. killerkiwijuice

    killerkiwijuice Post Master General

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    I dont see a problem with a good democratical voting system here? It's just a way to show Uber what this community wants for asteroids.

    I don't see how this poll hurts anything.
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  7. crizmess

    crizmess Well-Known Member

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    No, you can't. See your own post below.
    Look, this is the funny thing: On what basis do you assume, they did not listen in the past? And what makes you sure, that this time it's different?

    That said, it isn't the poll, or the people using this poll to showcase their opinion, it is the discussion - or better conversation - it sparked and the ultimate consequence of this process. I don't say it is bad per se, this is basically human behaviour, but we should be aware of it.
  8. nixtempestas

    nixtempestas Post Master General

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    Isn't showcasing opinion the whole point of ANY poll?

    As for instances where Uber decided to go a different way than the community desired, it is best not to reopen long dead cans of worms, suffice to say most of it was before your time. Many of them were design decisions, they would not require any more work than any other option, such as balance. Since then Uber has done a excellent job at communicating with the community, and the community itself has matured remarkably. I think it is best for everyone not to bring up any such past events further.
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  9. ace63

    ace63 Post Master General

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    At this point I have to assume you haven't been following PA's development from the beginning. There are literally tons of examples, so lets just leave it at that.
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