Whatever happened to this?

QFT. This is a fantastic summary of the problems that Uber, or any developer working on a fairly open book, faces with their community interaction.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if one of the main reasons more mod support hasn't come out is just waiting until the code actually stabilizes some more. As it is with Save/load being fairly recent it would certainly seem like there's still a lot going on under the hood. Sure waiting to make it easier to mod the game as a whole isn't great, but on the other side releasing it while things are still more fluid and breaking everyone's mods every patch probably isn't any better.

dude I'm always first in line to praise the good things going on here.

this however promise or not, is not polygon's call. period.

since things are clear and Poly and Uber are in good relations it's simple :

A simple polite e-mail asking for an edit on these parts. It's a minute out of any on the dev team. And poly isn't exactly short on people who themselves aren't exactly short on time.

I've only highlighted the obvious : is Uber willfully condoning these lies?

I'm not being a pain or anything. I think it's legit if anything to start pestering when I started asking politely for this takedown seven months ago.

I'm sorry if you find me a bit nitpicky but this situation is beyond ridiculous.

And considering Mod Market is basically a no :

I don't see how you justify coming at me with the "you're just not appreciating the time it takes to get things done" argument.

I'm not upset about this, again, it doesn't really affect me. I'm not upset with Uber at all. I'm happy with the game. For someone who was really into this and this was a big deal for them, I just feel for them, especially since Uber made a big deal of it. That's all.

yeah, In my own words "this is gonna blow up in your face" I never believed this course of action was in line with the rest of what was overall a rather positive public image Uber had and I begged them to try and rectify this. We're only freakin trying to help.

THIS however is what your (plural, meaning not only you) posts reflect ... as @cdrkf stated in his post

something that has been asked for before is now worked on and yet a number if people come in and complain about why instead of x y is not worked on ...
i mean we have talked about priorities and stuff tons of times before and yet the same complains and critics rekindle anew and with more butthurt than before ..

now afaik uber has stated already what may next be worked on
that would be GW being overworked and eventualy asteroids ... because a lot of people have asked for that as well ...
so this would eventualy mean modders not getting their tools for another couple of months ... and even after that modtools may still not be available because of the whole multiplanetplay being prone to stagnation ...
so basicly you had already known information as far as i´m concerned ...

look i can very well understand that you guys want your stuff to get/bring the most out of the game both for yourself and the comunity, but is that reason enough for uber to rethink their priorities? after all the devs have a number of various playertypes to cater to aswell, that being the singleplayers, the multiplayers, the casuals, the hardcores/pro´s and not just the modders ... and we know if we want to grow as a community and playerbase than we gotta accept that certain things have to wait as the devs only have so much capacity to work on so much things at time ... start something now it will inevitably push something else back .. no matter if it takes less time .. the guy/s that may be able to work on that may be needed elsewhere that is more important ..

and by this time i just see no use in continualy/constantly asking the devs about if x is being made and basicly get the same answer over and over being either "soon" or " will be done in the future" just to be reassured that the devs don´t forget about it ..

the thing that saddens me is how the forum often seems to succumb into that forumers vs devs situation
where people accuse the devs of lying and not caring etc. ... it´s just rediculous and unesseccary ... it doesn´t get us anywhere ... it just frustrates both sides ...
and i totaly agree with @cdrkf here on people needing to step back a bit ...

just finished reading you and I get the feeling you read nothing out of my post or most of the thread.

and I don't think you quite realise yet that what we're doing here isn't bitchin and moaning.

could you please recap what this thread is about here just so that I can verify that we are, in effect, on the same page?

Yes lets requote every single saying uber ever said and point the finger to Uber. Way to go. There is a reason why they don't like giving dates or promises (or even involve in the forums) and this is the best and perfect example @stuart98 .

Uber will try to get these goals going if they get the neccesary funding. No money is no business is no game. Its as simple as that. You can try to push it like this but it won't get you anything. Jables made a schedule with goals he wants to achieve and I'm sure that he won't change that as soon as someone makes a thread with quotes.

If you want to have your mod support expanded then make sure to donate some extra money so that they can achieve the goals without any concerns of having a viable company. Put it into a contract and then you can be that guy to point the fingers on the letters. Not like this. Thats just and I'm sorry for saying it being an ***. @neutrino has a passion for RTS and this is his vision about how he wants it. But you can't do everything for free in this world and here you come grabbing his quote and pointing fingers because its not there. There is a reason its not there.

They want to do a lot and will try to do it if they have the moneys. Thats as simple as it can be and right now I think the precious money and time can be spend on other things then improving mod support.

I don't see cola colin doing this kind of stuff because he understands. If you want to go this way then I recommend taking a good look at the post @exterminans made in the mod support section or @elodea posts or pm about this stuff. No pointing fingers and telling 'BUT YOU PROMISED AND ITS STILL NOT HERE' but just telling what you need and why you need it and what the community thinks about it.

Then uber can read up and check out whats needed to get the wishes of the community going and see if it fits in the budget and give a response about it sooner or later.

I've seen more of these responses by you about balance too. Do I really have to remind you its peoples work and passion that you sometimes criticise so harshly. Don't be that ***.

the thread is about devs of uber talking about including modtools and forumers talking about how they are not in yet ... which to me pretty much is criticizing them ... or to take your words "bitching and moaning"

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would you mind reading over stuart's and my post then?

because :
A.) "yet" is not a term you get to use. mod market is not coming to PA. I stand by what jables told me. read above.

B.) what we'd like (or rather me personaly, this doesn't engage others) is for Uber to as polygon for an edit in their article to remove the blatant lies.

again :

i don´t take jables quote as full on prove that it never will happen so i allow myself to use "yet"

as if you read again:

" if you wanted to force one, I'd go conservative and say no."

followed up by

"Now if we get time later on to get back to it, it'll be a nice surprise."

so i stand by my statement



you say "blatant lies" as in seemingly either accusing uber and/or polygon to be liars ... as in them deliberately telling the unthruth ..

once again read my polygon quote and breakdown, see for yourself.

It's like it was opposite day on that paragraph.

@MrTBSC You call it lies, I call it a change of management - literally. The person who gave the interview isn't involved with PA any more. No judgment whatsoever intended.

EDIT: Corrected statement. Mavor is still with Uber, at least his resume says so, but @jables is in charge for a while now, and he naturally doesn't share the same product vision.

i didn't .. please read again

also i think you missunderstood something ... mavor still is with uber (unless i missed something)
he's just not on the forums anymore ...

look when we're done with who's when's and what'sing there are people reading this article day by day getting lied to. And this has been ongoing for two years. it's a bloody shame a letter was never sent.

simple question:
Is the game totaly and utterly unmodable?

It's not about the magnitude of the lie, it's about the lie. Mod support isn't built into the game, yes you can mod it but in order to download mods you have to download a weird program onto your computer, there's still stuff we can't do because Uber hasn't told us how and in the entire YEAR, yes YEAR that server modding has been possible how many non-AI hooks have been implemented that we asked for? How many server API requests have been accepted?

Not ONE.

Not one hook that we've asked for has been implemented.

In an entire year?

And you think that it's not a lie to say that Uber supports mods?

no, it ENTIRELY is about the magnitude ....
what you guys basicly criticize is how uber has no starcraftlike level and uniteditor and how you take polygon saying for uber to have that ...

That's what Mavor is busy with nowadays: https://forums.uberent.com/threads/uber-virtual-reality-envelop-vr.68457/

Last time I checked, @jables was responsible for PA ever since HR (or was it "release"?), and they naturally don't share the same product vision.