Unit Variety

what????

dude this game figures more than one way to destroy planets and a single one is already mind blowing : removing the map has never been done in RTS before

two ways!

no I think that more ways aren't more primordial then more units.

Yeah, neutrino should have stuck to hes guns and put it into the game. Also fielding suggestions from people but...

Edit: this could have added some faction differentiation.

FYI the PTE update just added an advanced fighter that can travel between planets.

.... welp ... let´s see how that´ll turn out
@mered4

The same way it did last time:

Completely OP.

You have two different balance mods that have a similar and proven implementation of the T2 fighter, and you decide to go for the completely broken implementation that got it removed in the first place instead. What gives.

I absolutely cannot understand the reasoning of this. Do you want us to return to the T2 rush days because the return of the Peregrine Phoenix virtually unchanged from its former implementation sure makes it seem like you do.

so you tell me we actualy had a spacefaring aircraft before?

We had a T2 fighter before.

ok and? the reason that one got taken out was clear .. this one has a clear difference ...

That's pretty exciting. I've been wanting a fighter like that for a long time.

They borked it so hard. Oh my God.

Talk about air dominance...

good thing that it is in the pte were we can tweak stuff first before having it on stable ...

Bummer. Well, it's a step forward. Balance is a moving target.

Gamma Peregrines are not a step forward Brian.

Sometimes I think "moving target" means "mistake we're doomed to repeat over and over again".

You mean, like MISSING?

YOU ST-

oh right.


I promised WrongCat. Must shh.

Maybe it will be different now that there are other factors involved, like unit cannons and units that can attack orbital and air.



Edit: after reading some other threads it seems people were more constructive, so I'll retract the comment about instant negativity. Hopefully it will help Uber balance the fighter correctly.

seriosly guys had you ever have a unit that was 100% well implemented by its first appearance?

yea we get it the damn fighter needs tweaking ... so lets tweak instead just dismiss it as worlds end first

T2 Fighter just needs to be weaker compared to T1. Its already slower and more expensive.

Also before we jump down Uber's throat for the new T2 fighter, the only thing wrong with it is the DPS is too high. @tvinita has been tweaking things on the PTE as we go along- there's nothing to suggest he won't tweak this a bit too

Also another thing worth noting- the new AA priorities do mean that having a very powerful air superiority fighter *is less of an issue than before* as all it does is break up blobs of t1 fighters. All that blobs of t1 fighters actually do is prevent anti land aircraft and kill other fighters. You could build 1000 fighters, and 500 t2 fighters and you'll never deal even 1 point of damage to your opponent. Then you go bombers, and a few t1 land aa turrets will ignore the 'op' fighters and kill the bombers

Whilst it's annoying for the t2 fighter to be so much stronger than T1, with the way air works now there would be little point rushing it imo, as land based AA works independently of fighters now.

Edit: Also I thought I'd mention, my *initial* reaction to the specs of the new fighter was the same as you guys "oh no not again", but as with the T1 pelican, *other balance changes* have combined to vastly change the impact. I've noticed it is now possible to *win a 1 v 1 against a good opponent without air dominance by clever use of ground based AA*. I've done this several times- people focus so much resources on air, that I simply out produce them on land / sea and win that way. What this new fighter does do is make breaking a defended planet much easier, although I would like to see them vulnerable in the orbital layer for a bit before they descend to air- if a player has a well defended planet with all layers covered invasion should be hard after all.