Target/Kmart Australia Pull GTA V Off Shelves

@squishypon3:

Did you call them ignorant? Yep.

Did you agree with mockery of feminism despite then massively backpedalling on feminism being the cause of the issue here? Yep.

I mean, I'm not being facile. I'm trying to explain what I think you were doing wrong - just like you're trying to explain your issues with the petition.

No, it isn't. Rape is sexual penetration without consent. Murder is killing someone and having the intent to do so.

It isn't an opinion. It's an objective fact that the game isn't based on misogynistic murder and rape. It doesn't come into the plot at all.

But the game features the ability to do more abusive things to women in the game than it does men. Not that the same when directed towards men would be any more acceptable.

The petition, by the by, doesn't say the game is based on those aspects. It says the that game contains those elements, and "makes a game of it" (which it does, by definition). If you're going to disagree with something on the grounds of semantics, at least get those semantics right.

The petition accurately depicts ingame events. It dresses up certain aspects in hyperbole, but that's obviously a personal slant with regards to what these women are concerned about. Which you're saying . . . they're not allowed to be concerned about?

Murdering a prostitute is surely in the "not good" part of the law, okay? I take it you think it is a good thing raping is not allowed in the game. What is your take on murdering a prostitute being allowed in the game?

Is that true though? Is paying to have sex an abusive thing? Because other than that everything is the same as far as I know from when I've played the game.

The same on my take of murdering any other human being, why does it matter that it's a woman or a man or a prostitute?

Context matters. Gender, race, situation, everything matters.

Why? Shouldn't everyone be the same? Rape is rape, murder is murder. No matter the gender, race, or sex of the individual.

I wish society would actually want to have everyone equal.

Does it? Like what?

Murdering anyone is bad. Raping anyone is bad.

My take is, it's an open-world crime game. You can murder everyone else. Why should it be different for one group?

Because murdering a woman at random is different from running over a prostitute you just had sex with because "you can't let her get away with the money".

Look I am not going to get in this discussion about morality, it will never end.

I will just say that context insensitivity is a big problem, people love to dumb down things. "Murder is murder", like it's that simple. Well guess what.. it isn't.

Well personally I wish everyone was truly equal, and I believe the fact a hate crime is a thing shows a real problem in our society.

How is this thread still alive?

"Moms don't like violent video games". wow what a shocker, just go to a different retailer

It's almost like you haven't even read the petition you're claiming to argue against, or played the game in question.

It's more that the actions you can chain to the prostitute after having sex, as defined by the petition (has anybody actually bothered to read it?).

I have, i just don't agree with it.Why is killing someone after consensual sex different from killing someone out right?

. . . you seriously need that explaining to you?

It's like saying "why is killing someone for a racist reason different from killing someone" - it becomes a race crime. In this context, it becomes a sex crime. Or is indicative of such to be decided in a court of law / homicide investigation.

This is why people shouldn't debate if they don't actually know the law surrounding such things.

EDIT: of note, people also object to GTA (and similar games) due to the sheer violence the game contains itself, it must be noted. I'd imagine people also backed the petition for more generic reasons such as this.

How so, you could easily argue it had no connection to the sex.. In fact I'm almost positive it wouldn't have a connection.

But that's besides the point, as I said I don't personally agree with the idea of race crimes and such, I agree with equality; that if someone is murdered or raped it shouldn't matter what their race, gender, or secure orientation.

And this is why you are part of the problem. Stop pretending you know better than the law on the subject. Hate crimes and sex crimes exist. They happen.

Equality does not exist. Stop pretending that it does.

I have not even played any GTA for more than a few minutes, but am I the only person who thinks it is just slightly weird to actually try and judge fictional stuff by real world laws? The whole point of a fictional thing, no matter if book, movie, game or whatever else you come up with, is that tiny difference that it is fiction. Stupid imaginary things. Not more.

Yes our society certainly has a lot of problems and these discussions alone prove these problems exist, but I doubt that R18+ games are the cause of them. More like much more subtle things that happen to every child, not only to those whose parents are irresponsible enough to let them play GTA.

It basically starts when parents buy a some cloth for a baby and decide the color of it based on the gender of the child, then it continues when girls are given puppets to play with and boys lego, etc. Those are the real things that burn in "girls and boys are different" into everybodys mind on a quite deep level.

Well I guess in not allowed to have an opinion anymore? Hm?

This is a game, as Cola said. In said game you never get in trouble for stealing a car in plain sight and if you accidentally love tap a cop car the cops come and try to kill you.

Real world laws shouldn't apply.