Target/Kmart Australia Pull GTA V Off Shelves

What? The characters are all heterosexual males, one of them is even married. If people don't like the characters that's fine but I don't see how complaining about how the characters don't do out-of-character things makes any sense.

You can't rape people in the game. Like I said before if this was even remotely possible the game would be illegal in Australia because there is a law that states no express or implied sexual violence may be presented in a game.

If you want actual rape simulators to complain about go look at the stuff Japan makes.

Rockstar have always pushed the edges of toleration a little, but I don't think they've ever gone overboard. They just allow this stuff to continue because it's free publicity.

Are you arguing having sex with a prostitute and killing her afterwards, as in the clip shown in the article, is not sexual violence?

That's not sexual violence. Sexual violence is coercing or forcing sexual activity through threat of or actual physical violence.

Yeah, and Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky.

The sole role of women in a game should not just be to serve as an object for the protagonist to mess about with. GTA is perhaps one of the worse examples here, but I'll stick with it because you're repeatedly unable to concede the point that the removal of this game from Target has nothing at all to do with feminist agendas.

Why is it good? What am I being protective of (answer: nothing)?

Who said you should be angry? People are allowed to criticise anything, surely? You criticise Uber's balance all the time, would you like it if people told you to stop because you shouldn't be allowed, because you're being "overly sensitive" towards game balance in PA?

I edited that the clarify while you decided to not look up the definition.

Nobody's talking about feminism right now except you.

And we both know prostitutes aren't the only female characters in GTA.

Jesus Christ why am I even arguing with people who think murdering a prostitute you just "had sex with" does not constitute sexual violence.. tell that to the judge is all I can say..

You may think the world works by textbook definitions. In the real world there is context.

Also by referring to the Clinton-Lewinsky case I was suggesting that you are trying to bend words.

Is it required you murder the prostitute after or was that a player choice? If it were player choice then that is not the game's fault.

In the real world GTA was passed completely uncensored by a notoriously strict ratings board. Whatever moral opinions you may have they obviously don't sync with the Australian legal system.

But feminism, and the mockery thereof, was the key defining point in starting this tangent.

At no point did you indicate we'd moved on from it, and I kept referring back to it in my posts.

I realise it's convenient to just drop something when you don't want to face losing a discussion over it, but that's not how debates play out. Just like how @squishypon3 has stopped replying and has instead just started resorting to liking your comments, like that tidily excuses responsibility of replying to counterarguments. Dropping the subject in a debate generally means you've conceded it - if you want to admit that, that'd actually really kinda help so I know where in the nine hells this discussion is going

Prostitutes aren't the only female characters. But they're ones that stand out from the men if we're running an analysis of the gender-specific actions you can carry out ingame.

That said, if we're not discussing feminism, why are you getting your panties in a bunch? What are you even debating for? Target pulled the game because a buttload of adults (that weren't following any agenda beyond being middle-aged people, interspersed with parents) said they didn't like the game's contents. Deal with it.

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I told you already. The reason I have a problem with this is because the petition is misleading.

It is not a question of the game's "fault". The game enables the player to carry out these acts which in real life would be deemed highly immoral. End of story. This is about a wider discussion about values in society and what is seen fit as entertainment and what is not.

Haha, I don't remember starting a petition to stop PA being sold on the shelves of a store due to balance.

This is being blown way out of proportion by ignorant people who haven't even played the game, and so bring up such huge misconceptions.

"Misleading" because murdering a prostitute is not rape (and this is okay because the Australian legal system says so).

Why does the petition have to single out women though? Why doesn't it bring up actual arguments against the game using murder, etc... Saying the game is against women I'd false.

The game enables the player to do many things, from stealing a chopper from a military base to doing a mass shooting with a rocket launcher.

Why single out women, why not look at the broad picture?

But the petition isn't misleading. For the people who signed it, it's entirely accurate. In their opinions. What right do you have to tell them their opinion is wrong?

I agree, the situation of the petition is being blown way out of proportion by ignorant people who don't understand that the right of opinion is held by everyone

Target are within rights to pull any product from their shelves for any reason at any time.
People are within rights to submit a petition to remove something they find offensive from a local store.
People are within rights to disagree with that petition, but that doesn't make the petition invalid or the people who made it ignorant.

Misleading because the game allows you to so much more, and singling one issue as if that's the whole premise of the game is unfair and you know it.

Because the people who made the petition are women who have had similar experiences in real life?

Why not single out women? Does that take away from someone? Why does it bother you?

GTA is misogynistic, racist, homophobic and every possible politically incorrect word in the dictionary on purpose.

Why should anyone care or do anything about anything, because there is always the wider picture.

Well in my opinion they are incorrect, did I ever say they shouldn't be allowed to petition for this? No.