Would you play a PA MOBA?

I disagree, games can be built to be esports or sport-like gameplay-wise as well, if PA was built to be an esport balance would be more important than it currently is for example.

I disagree with that. Not every game can be an esport. Sim City with spectator mode still isn't enough to make it interesting.

@squishypon3 - e-sports is not sports-like His analogy was incorrect (he used 'mental challenge' as a descriptor - all sports have a level of mental engagement in them).

Balance can be an important aspect of a game regardless of it's e-sports success. It can also be moderately irrelevant (League of Legends is the most popular game on the planet, and while the game is balanced, it's arguably not balanced very well and skewed towards economics for driving their transaction model).

@cptconundrum - again, e-sports != sports-like.

All games are a sport. Or rather, all sports are a form of game. Reductionist, etc.

I realise that the constant change of the terms used is confusing, and I'm sorry. Will try to be clearer, but I'm arguing against a guy (mered) who willingly flings around completely incorrect nonsense on a subject (hypocritical given his attitude to users who don't display the perceived competency at PA~).

@Gorbles Why do you not consider e-sports as being the same as regular sports?

Sports are a subset of games, but not all games are sports.

At this point I don't even know what we're talking about anymore...

I would probably play it for the novelty, but I have a feeling that games built for being MOBAs like LoL will do it better. I would like for us to try to brainstorm new ways to add personality to the game and create the kind of team-based play that is needed to encourage teams to take advantage of the strengths of individual players. This is what I think is the biggest success of MOBAs and it is something I am trying to do with my mod without removing the rts aspects of PA.

Yeah, sorry cptconundrum; I got moderately sidetracked responding to mered, and then people starting responding to my replies to mered. Hence the confusion!

There's a reason they have different names. Also, as I've said twice now, the context was completely different. I don't even know what you're getting at!

Can ya actually ask me what you want to ask me, instead of leading the question?

@Gorbles, that was my question. The reason I ask, is because the only difference between e-sports and sports is that e-sports has an e in it for electronic, or that's what most gamers want to happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_sports

Covers a wide range of games and genres. Balance isn't even necessarily a factor, for anyone who's used to the traditional fighting games or even more popularised examples like Super Smash Bros.

This has little to do with the initial comparison mered made with regards to him actually playing sports, and him equating MOBAs with a form of "sports" that doesn't involve a mental challenge.

YESSSS.
All I hate about mobas is that they all are damn fantasy. I hate fantasy. Everything game in fantasy/medival setting is a no-no to me. I love sci-fi.
I'd play (S)MNC, but nobody plays it.

Agree totally! I could never get into Dota or LoL because of the setting, but I'd have some fun playing around with a scifi robot Mobo in the PA setting.

For what it's worth, most sci-fi is more fantasy than science. Leaves you with a dislike for medieval settings, which I can get behind, even though I do not share it.

Would anyone object against sports requiring and being defined by a competitive mindset?

Now define "competitive".

No, because that's a large part of how I define sports too. Playing something for a good time with your friends is different than seriously trying to win against an opponent. The former being a game, the latter being a sport.

Not all games are sports, but all sports are in essence games.

(My opinion.)

The drive to win.

actualy i would say every game/everything else were there can be competition can as well be a sport ... as abstract as that may sound ..
but let´s not get into that to much ... just sharing a thought ...

That can be true for plenty of things that aren't sports. Wars, businesses competing, political debates, etc

You just asked me to define competitive?

Competition arises in everything. I think society really needs to rethink it's definition of sport. Maybe debate is a sport? It requires constant practice to get better, many people watch and it has a lot of money and power riding on it, etc...

wars...

seriously though

sport is having events being fairly setup for competive matches ... that is actualy it ...

sport has always have to do with even and fair distrubution of rules and equipment ..

what the theme is or what it is actualy about doesn´t even matter ...
so yea every sport can be as well a game ...
every event that has a sort of "win" condition can be a sport and a game ...

That's true, and a bit funny honestly. Warfare acts quite a bit like a sport, bit scary if you think about it.

Sports are designed in ways that mimic warfare because it is such a natural part of our minds..