Elite: Dangerous is looking sexy

Yes, but using it as a development model isn't a crazy new thing that people see as a selling point anymore

The game is defined as an MMO, regardless of how you personally play it in the game's incomplete beta form.

Hence, deal with it.

People over-react to DRM anyway.
League is online-only. Dota 2 is mostly online-only. WoW and SWToR and EVE are online-only.

Deal with it.
Call out sh!tty DRM, but don't get paranoid

Nope.. it is not 'defined' as an MMO, from the kickstarter page:

That quote you provided doesn't provide the definition for what the game counts as. So . . . good job?

Also, the quote is the intended single player experience. In other words, that can change. So, another good job on reading what you're posting!

Well, at least that quote is from the actual developer of the game pitching it to their prospective customers, as opposed to an opinion.

The statement clearly says that it will be possible to play offline, or if you really want to mince words, "have a single player game without connecting to the galaxy server."

You really don't know what the word "intended" means, do you?

Also, have a fun read: http://www.drewwagar.com/progress-report/elite-dangerous-and-playing-offline/

Those games are "free-to-play"or subscription based. And none of them crowdfunded. Nobody ever expected them to be playable offline. Frontier just made the mistake of ever even alluding to offline play being possible. I think it's OK if it is clear right from the start that the game will be online-only. Just so happens that Kickstarter pitches that speak of being online only typically don't get kickstarted (like Human Resources, though HR surely had other issues going against it as well.)

You think that nothing changes during a game's development? You don't understand that intending a game for offline play and realising that intention are two completely separate things?

You're railing against something you don't understand.

Things change in game development, mate.
Deal with it.

You can keep going on about semantics, won't change anything. Everything in a kickstarter pitch is about intention. The game being online only was never stated in the pitch, nor it being an "MMO". On the contrary, while being online focused, there was a clear statement that they intend to have offline play possible as well.

And now they have backtracked on that statement. All that is clear, even the link you provide does not deny this.

Sure things change during development, for example with PA it was pretty clear to me early on that some of the features Uber promised were never going to happen, like the unit cannon. But that's okay, since for the most part I was happy with the game and there were other features added.

However, had Uber not delivered on offline play, it would've been a different story.. I think devs don't realise how important offline play is for some people. Especially with big publishers going more and more online only, some people turned to Kickstarter and devs who promised offline play in protest. So basically the big picture is about consumer rights.. which is a good thing.

I am trying to deal with other people being annoyed at me being annoyed.

By moaning about semantics while using semantics yourself.

Good job!

Yeah.. forum discussions tend to remind me why I prefer to play offline only.

Listen, it's not my fault if your perfect world of being allowed to moan about whatever you want without people disagreeing is ruined. Other people have disagreed with you, and yet I'm the only one picking up flak.

The intention was to provide offline play. This was not a contract. This was not a promise. This was subject to development of the game as it progressed.

What I got annoyed about was nothing other than your twisting of these facts to make it look like some promise the developers broke just to disadvantage their palyers, wrapped up in "DRM".

And, personally, just me offering a personal opinion? This is 2014, you're posting on a web forum about consumer rights. You have an Internet connection, and as such these changes don't inconvenience you in any way, shape or form.

In a perfect world people could have civilized discussions instead of passive-aggressive snide comments like "deal with it" and "good job".

Kickstarter pitches and the "promises" made are controversial.. as I understand, Kickstarter even updated their terms because of issues like the one with Elite.

What do you know about what inconveniences me? Last week my internet connection was acting up and I couldn't play Elite, among other games like BF4 (single player), due to severe packet loss. It is a real issue. Not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, but it is there.

An internet connection is becoming like electricity in the sense that you can't do anything without it. All I care about is developers being clear about their intentions so that consumers can make informed decisions. Buying into early access/kickstarter is always a risk but it is still disappointing when stuff like this happens.

And about the DRM thing, it would be naive to assume that it isn't a factor in this. But most likely the reason is money, they have calculated that the development time and money put into making offline play work isn't worth it.

In a perfect world I wouldn't have to deal with people intentionally misrepresenting the facts so they can have a moan about DRM. You give some, you get some.

I say it's not an inconvenience because compared to any other games service it works perfectly well. If you have problems with your Internet, that is not a fault of the game(s). That is the fault of your Internet Service Provider. Complain at them instead.

You evidently normally have a connnection that handles the situation, so basically you're moaning for the sake of moaning.

Evidently.

Currently I wish my internet was down so I would've been spared from this discussion. Could have spent that time playing games. Well, games that work offline anyway.

Have a good day.

Here's a trailer to get the thread back on track:

Gamma incoming on November 22nd. Uber aren't the only ones with this alpha, beta, gamma logic, it seems!

Also, from a Q & A with Braben (from the Newsletter):

That sounds like something EA would say.